US Pilots Labor Discussion 8/11- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[luvthe9]

I guess you missed Sully and Skiles testimony then. Sully who was about 245 on the east list was flying an little bus because of life style not the money. Skiles was still an F/O because he commuted and bid for life style. Kind of an embarrassing moment for him on the stand when he whined about never upgrading under Nicolau. When asked if he could hold captain currently. Well yes he could but it was in LGA or DCA and he wanted to hold a line.

The two hero's kind of shoot your theory of $$$$$$ over lifestyle.

BTW how many WB F/O could hold captain currently? Does the WB F/O pay more that captain NB capt. on the east?

No it doesn't shoot anything. How about if Sully chose not to bid the 330 over the little bus because if he was on reserve on the 330 and not flying, he might get just a little more, have to commute to reserve, and fly all holidays. I can't speak for Skiles, but I have never heard him whine. So no theory of anything is shot down by two people. It is ridiculous to even try that argument, but we have come to expect it haven't we? As far as embarrassing, nice try. These guys probably are the most famous airline pilots in history, and did a fabulous job. As much as you would like to try and take it away from them.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

I guess you missed Sully and Skiles testimony then. Sully who was about 245 on the east list was flying an little bus because of life style not the money. Skiles was still an F/O because he commuted and bid for life style. Kind of an embarrassing moment for him on the stand when he whined about never upgrading under Nicolau. When asked if he could hold captain currently. Well yes he could but it was in LGA or DCA and he wanted to hold a line.

The two hero's kind of shoot your theory of $$$$$$ over lifestyle.

BTW how many WB F/O could hold captain currently? Does the WB F/O pay more that captain NB capt. on the east?

Now c'mon Multi Visional sort a shoots a hole in your theory now doesn't it, "It aint all about the money" . Contribute pleez! MM! Go ahead rant again and tell us how bad LOA 93 is, if you have it so good why do YOU care ! NIC DOA, !

 

[BoeingBoy]

I guess you missed Sully and Skiles testimony then. Sully who was about 245 on the east list was flying an little bus because of life style not the money. Skiles was still an F/O because he commuted and bid for life style.

There'll always be a percentage that will give up some money for lifestyle - I was certainly one after the US/PI merger. There's also a percentage - larger I'd guess - that will chase either the $$$, the type, or the "status" of wearing the 4 stripes.

BTW how many WB F/O could hold captain currently? Does the WB F/O pay more that captain NB capt. on the east?

I believe that if you ignore the 190's and only look at the A330 vs Airbus/Boeing narrowbodies the answer is none unless they're getting the special "bonus" from USAPA. Of course that doesn't include any outside income - PBGC retirement, military, etc.

Jim

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

There'll always be a percentage that will give up some money for lifestyle - I was certainly one after the US/PI merger. There's also a percentage - larger I'd guess - that will chase either the $$$, the type, or the "status" of wearing the 4 stripes.



I believe that if you ignore the 190's and only look at the A330 vs Airbus/Boeing narrowbodies the answer is none unless they're getting the special "bonus" from USAPA. Of course that doesn't include any outside income - PBGC retirement, military, etc.

Jim

Jim , it is extremely apparent you don't have access to the latest bid award info , besides Clear has it unless he lacks the knowledge to use "WINGS" and download the latest EAST bid, I know the WEST has not had one for quite some time so maybe it is overwhelming for them! MM!

 

[BoeingBoy]

I also recall that one of the west attempts to persuade east pilots to support ALPA and the Nic was that none of them were interested in coming east to fly widebodies, nor would they consider working in any of our obviously geographically-challenged inferior east coast bases.

Sorta like the East posters trying to convince the West pilots that DOH wouldn't hurt them since almost no East pilots would bid PHX. As luvthe9 intimated, there are plenty that would bid PHX in a heartbeat if given the chance. That's why USAPA's earlier C&R's were such a joke - the DOH basically trapped the Westies in PHX unless they were willing to give up their seniority yet it let Easties get into PHX.

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

Jim , it is extremely apparent you don't have access to the latest bid award info

Nonsense - human nature still exists. Some will stay in a lower paying position than they can hold for quality of life while others will chase bids all over the system (either just the East system or the entire airline when given the chance) at the expense of lifestyle.

Jim

 

[Pi brat]

Explain how the use of "casual" language compares to improper grammar or the random spewing of words, as MM is likely to do. I couldn' think like that guy under any circumstances. My comment was purely sarcastic.

Oh of course. How silly of me, you are a former AWA pilot so there is no way you could make a mistake. Riiiiight.

 

[cleardirect]

No it doesn't shoot anything. How about if Sully chose not to bid the 330 over the little bus because if he was on reserve on the 330 and not flying, he might get just a little more, have to commute to reserve, and fly all holidays. I can't speak for Skiles, but I have never heard him whine. So no theory of anything is shot down by two people. It is ridiculous to even try that argument, but we have come to expect it haven't we? As far as embarrassing, nice try. These guys probably are the most famous airline pilots in history, and did a fabulous job. As much as you would like to try and take it away from them.

You did say this did you not?

This will always be the case. Pilots, no matter where they live, always chase the $$$$$$ even to the detriment of quality of life.

Now you want to add in flying holidays commute to reserve.

Your comment was pilots always chase the $$$$$$$ to the detriment of lifestyle. flying holidays and sitting reserve are lifestyle choices.

I said nothing about their performance on that day. I am not taking anything away from them. I am using those two because the are famous to make my point. The two famous pilot at Us Airways were chasing lifestyle not $$$$$$$. Making your statement wrong.

 

[luvthe9]

You did say this did you not?



Now you want to add in flying holidays commute to reserve.

Your comment was pilots always chase the $$$$$$$ to the detriment of lifestyle. flying holidays and sitting reserve are lifestyle choices.

I said nothing about their performance on that day. I am not taking anything away from them. I am using those two because the are famous to make my point. The two famous pilot at Us Airways were chasing lifestyle not $$$$$$$. Making your statement wrong.

OK dude, pilots always, without one exception chase the money. Happy????

 

[Pi brat]

Guys! Guys! Guess what I got in the mail today. I found a very lightly used moral compass on ebay and it finally arrived from some guys named Jamie,Adam and Jakey from PHX. But I think it's broken. First, I thought it would look like, well, a compass, but it kinda looks like one of those magic 8 balls we had as kids. The instructions look like they had never been opened, but when I read them they said to ask the compass a moral question in a true or false manner, and watch the answer. I asked all sorts of questions like "Is it okay to attribute words to someone that never said them?", "Is it okay to steal from someone else?", and then I went for the big one, "can I kill someone I don't care for?". Every time the answer came back, "Of course, whatever you want, go ahead!". What do you guys think?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Nonsense - human nature still exists. Some will stay in a lower paying position than they can hold for quality of life while others will chase bids all over the system (either just the East system or the entire airline when given the chance) at the expense of lifestyle.

Jim

I thought you took exception, you are correct if you look at lets say the 330 f/o list over 150 as many as 210 of the top positons could hold capt on 767, nbody, and all capt e-190 , how was vacation?MM!

 

[BoeingBoy]

I thought you took exception

How you got that from what I said:

There'll always be a percentage that will give up some money for lifestyle - I was certainly one after the US/PI merger. There's also a percentage - larger I'd guess - that will chase either the $$$, the type, or the "status" of wearing the 4 stripes.

is a mystery to me. If that indicated that I took exception to anything it was luvthe9's statement that pilots always chase the $$$$. That's just as wrong as saying that pilot's never chase the $$$$ (or a block or the ego thing of being a captain or whatever). Human nature is just more diverse than that so there are no absolutes.

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

Every time the answer came back, "Of course, whatever you want, go ahead!". What do you guys think?

That you got an East moral compass???

Jim

 

[Pi brat]

That you got an East moral compass???

Jim

Hmmm..........the ebay listing said west! Good one though! You get a green + from me. You back?

 

[Phoenix]

Hmmm..........the ebay listing said west! Good one though! You get a green + from me. You back?

I thought that the privilege of "do what ever you want"! belonged to the retired.