US Pilots Labor Discussion 8/11- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[luvthe9]

Oh yes here we go. You disagree with me so I have no business being here. I must be really junior or not even a pilot.

You forgot to call me a girl too.

You guys are so predictable and unimaginative.

Extremely predictable. When it counts, we win big.

 

[nic4us]

Clear Direct- remember the disagreement on the 9th? Who cares if you disagree? No rant, and the fact you disagree means nothing factually. Every legal horse you have ridden hard has collapsed. Every lawyer in your employ has had a basic and fatal flaw with regard to a very simple legal concept:ripeness.Why don't you ask Jacobs how he could go for damage when there was none? Didn't one of you have the intelligence to see such a basic concept? So the fact you and your legal trust disagrees, means nothing. In fact the concept that they disagree means more disappointment ahead for you. For they still lack the basic understanding of INTERNAL UNION AFFAIRS. More education on this issue forthcoming. The fact your half baked legal squad comes on this board repeatedly urging you on with absolutely specious advice and analogy is encouraging to the East. It means more money down the drain, and on the bottom of the pipe is Jacobs. Hopefully he will build a vacation home or put his kids through college with the money. Gather up the Legion of leonidas once more. Into the battle of INTERNAL UNION AFFAIRS. One more time. Baptiste and Wilder.And you really don't have to do that. ROACLT has given all of you an education right in your very face, yet you disagree and ignore. He will be proven to be right on, again. Save yourself some money. You are beaten even before you saddle up again.

What a crock of BS.

First, I will gladly remind you that the AOL legal team and the West pilot group understand the concept of RIPENESS, full well. We believed the case ripe, and BTW so did 2 of 4 federal judges. The 9ths ruling that the case was not ripe is fully understandable, and much more a win for the West than the little lawyer would have his blind followers believe.

What the West takes away from the 9ths opinion is a twofold. First, by specifically not addressing merit, the 9th reattached the company to the future DFR, should a ratified contract (unquestiionably ripe) be attained. Hence the company's recent filing and the reason there is no way we will ever get to that ratified (unquestionably ripe) contract. Second, if we do ever see a DOH contract, there will be absolutely no statute of limitations arguement from Seham unless the West fails to file within 6 months of the effective date of the contract,(I do not think it will take 6 hours to get an injunction in place).

You can argue INTERNAL UNION AFFAIRS all you want, it is somewhat immaterial in our case. Moreover, I suggest you brush up on ALTERNATIVE DISPUTE RESOLUTION and BINDING ARBITRATION. There is plenty more, but I am not about to give the little lawyer a heads up on what is coming usapa's way. But just for fun, why don't you ask your rep at the next opportunity why usapa is fighting the company's request for declaratory judgement. Then report back on this board and we will try to remove the wool from your eyes.

 

[nic4us]

I would wager that Clear is on the street or not even a pilot. There is no way you can be on every hour, every day, and work here.

You would lose that wager. I would point out that you seem to be here just as often as Clear. So what is your status? I am guessing e190 reserve F/O.

 

[luvthe9]

You would lose that wager. I would point out that you seem to be here just as often as Clear. So what is your status? I am guessing e190 reserve F/O.

You pegged it!

 

[hp_fa]

Cleardirect is definitely a pilot for US Airways.

 

[luvthe9]

What a crock of BS.

First, I will gladly remind you that the AOL legal team and the West pilot group understand the concept of RIPENESS, full well. We believed the case ripe, and BTW so did 2 of 4 federal judges. The 9ths ruling that the case was not ripe is fully understandable, and much more a win for the West than the little lawyer would have his blind followers believe.

What the West takes away from the 9ths opinion is a twofold. First, by specifically not addressing merit, the 9th reattached the company to the future DFR, should a ratified contract (unquestiionably ripe) be attained. Hence the company's recent filing and the reason there is no way we will ever get to that ratified (unquestionably ripe) contract. Second, if we do ever see a DOH contract, there will be absolutely no statute of limitations arguement from Seham unless the West fails to file within 6 months of the effective date of the contract,(I do not think it will take 6 hours to get an injunction in place).

You can argue INTERNAL UNION AFFAIRS all you want, it is somewhat immaterial in our case. Moreover, I suggest you brush up on ALTERNATIVE DISPUTE RESOLUTION and BINDING ARBITRATION. There is plenty more, but I am not about to give the little lawyer a heads up on what is coming usapa's way. But just for fun, why don't you ask your rep at the next opportunity why usapa is fighting the company's request for declaratory judgement. Then report back on this board and we will try to remove the wool from your eyes.

"We believed the case ripe....." 2 million dollars spent to prove you were wrong. 2 of 4 Federal Judges. A measly 50%. Not very good averages. The ones that count, shot you down hard with a tidy little explanation that put a lot of light on your shady ideas. Unquestionably ripe, your opinion, not others. Save your cash. You blew your ammo needlessly with your fake charge. ROACLT, on the money. Read him, save yours. He knows.

 

[nic4us]

Oh yes, the RICO deal. Who cares?

Who cares?

Is usapa really that obtuse?

We are about 65% done with the seniority dispute. The Nic will be here in about 18 months. Plan accordingly junior.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

"We believed the case ripe....." 2 million dollars spent to prove you were wrong. 2 of 4 Federal Judges. A measly 50%. Not very good averages. The ones that count, shot you down hard with a tidy little explanation that put a lot of light on your shady ideas. Unquestionably ripe, your opinion, not others. Save your cash. You blew your ammo needlessly with your fake charge. ROACLT, on the money. Read him, save yours. He knows.

How many En Banc judges voted to hear it? 2 Mill on for a :MEMO" you guys must be comics , and yes I am also an E190 reserve F/o and proud of it! MM!

 

[Hate2fly]

"We believed the case ripe....." 2 million dollars spent to prove you were wrong. 2 of 4 Federal Judges. A measly 50%. Not very good averages. The ones that count, shot you down hard with a tidy little explanation that put a lot of light on your shady ideas. Unquestionably ripe, your opinion, not others. Save your cash. You blew your ammo needlessly with your fake charge. ROACLT, on the money. Read him, save yours. He knows.

luvthe9,

We should back away from the westies they have been so smart from the beginning. We just don't understand who we are dealing with. They have some of the best legal minds behind them! That Phoenix law and that Texas style law is really crushing our prestigious law firm.
SSM&P have been wonderful. Best money we ever spent. nic4 and clear definately have SSM&P on the ropes. Separate operations is a wonderful thing.

Hate

 

[luvthe9]

Who cares?

Is usapa really that obtuse?

We are about 65% done with the seniority dispute. The Nic will be here in about 18 months. Plan accordingly junior.

Well, being a junior 190 F/O, I won't be hurt much. But I hear others are going to the gunwales to prepare to repel boarders! It ain't gonna be pretty for you again! There is not much sympathy for the x Box generation!

 

[CallawayGolf]

"We believed the case ripe....." 2 million dollars spent to prove you were wrong. 2 of 4 Federal Judges. A measly 50%. Not very good averages. The ones that count, shot you down hard with a tidy little explanation that put a lot of light on your shady ideas. Unquestionably ripe, your opinion, not others. Save your cash. You blew your ammo needlessly with your fake charge. ROACLT, on the money. Read him, save yours. He knows.

Judges and courts don't determine right and wrong, they issue opinions based on their interpretation of the law. Sometimes they interpret the law correctly and sometimes they don't. Did you see the mind numbingly idiotic ruling from the 9th yesterday where they said its okay to lie on a federal job application about your qualifications, experience, and military service because doing so is “protected under the first amendment right to free speech”? So according to their published opinion it is “right” to lie on a job application and “wrong” for an employer to expect applicants to be honest about their qualifications. I put no stock in what the courts say in terms of right or wrong, correct or incorrect, or legal or illegal. The courts have become like a roulette wheel – the outcome of any trial is completely dependent on who is assigned to hear the case.

 

[luvthe9]

Who cares?

Is usapa really that obtuse?

We are about 65% done with the seniority dispute. The Nic will be here in about 18 months. Plan accordingly junior.

Let's see, who do I believe??? The Ninth Court of Appeals San Francisco, Federal Judges, or Nic4US????

 

[nic4us]

"We believed the case ripe....." 2 million dollars spent to prove you were wrong. 2 of 4 Federal Judges. A measly 50%. Not very good averages. The ones that count, shot you down hard with a tidy little explanation that put a lot of light on your shady ideas. Unquestionably ripe, your opinion, not others. Save your cash. You blew your ammo needlessly with your fake charge. ROACLT, on the money. Read him, save yours. He knows.

Actually 9 million has been spent. 2 mil by AOL and 7 mil by usapa. 7 million and all you got is a short stay of implementation. Pretty pricey when you also consider the 600 million in wage increases the east has forgone over the last few years of inept representation. But, whatever makes you a good union pilot I suppose. Cleary thanks you for the 191k job he has. The company thanks you for the 600 million in savings.

ROACLT may know how many rats populate the docks, but misses the boat. He should stay with crane operations, or container stacking, or bilge pumping or union busting or whatever it is he does.

 

[cleardirect]

Extremely predictable. When it counts, we win big.

If you won then let's get on with it. Where is that DOH contract?

Oh that's right the company you know the other half at the bargaining table refuses to go along with usapa scheme. So what did you win big?

How are you going to get to a DOH contract? Why is usapa so afraid of going to court and getting an answer to the companies DJ?

The company wants an answer the west pilots want an answer the east pilots not so much. This is not over by a long shot. So take your little "win" read delay and enjoy yourselves. Because that is all you won was a delay.

BTW how predictable is your win on the LOA 93? Where is that answer?

 

[nic4us]

Judges and courts don't determine right and wrong, they issue opinions based on their interpretation of the law. Sometimes they interpret the law correctly and sometimes they don't. Did you see the mind numbingly idiotic ruling from the 9th yesterday where they said its okay to lie on a federal job application about your qualifications, experience, and military service because doing so is “protected under the first amendment right to free speech”? So according to their published opinion it is “right” to lie on a job application and “wrong” for an employer to expect applicants to be honest about their qualifications. I put no stock in what the courts say in terms of right or wrong, correct or incorrect, or legal or illegal. The courts have become like a roulette wheel – the outcome of any trial is completely dependent on who is assigned to hear the case.

Bybee was the dissenting opinion. However, all three judges were republican appointees.

The scumbag who claimed to be a Medal of Honor recipient got off easy with the original 400 hrs community service at the VA hospital.