US Pilots Labor Discussion 8/11- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[Freebird]

Sure will, be glad to vote, Usapa,doh, see how easy it is!MM, ps I know voting can be a scary thing but it really is quite simple!

Well that's a step in the right direction. Can I count on you to call Cleary today and encourage him to put of a contract to vote on that includes the NIC?

Come on, don't be afraid. Show your resolve.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Well that's a step in the right direction. Can I count on you to call Cleary today and encourage him to put of a contract to vote on that includes the NIC?

Come on, don't be afraid. Show your resolve.

You've got a phone if you don't there probably is a RENT-A-CENTER near you! I'm still waiting on the CARDS? Show a little FREEBIRD and fly them on down so All of us can vote,( not just us MIGS)MM! PS The CLT update said it all I will be glad to pass his number friend!

 

[Pi brat]

You mean kind of like the ninth circuit issued their opinion along with the dissent?

Exactly! See, we can agree. Man, I love progress!


Why it did not go away. Because there was a merger. Go ask the money men what the BK exit plan was if AWA had not come along.

Again, you are right! Well, maybe because we don't know if anything or anyone else was waiting in the woods. But, let's go with your view, the merger kept US Airways around. Why did AWA do it? Charity? I don't think so. Companies are around to make money and Doug Parker decided that a (cashless BTW) merger with US was in the best interest of AWA. I would imagine that the massive give backs of US pilots went along way to make him feel this way. I think we can all agree that with the 20/20 hindsight the merger was a great deal for AWA. It was a low yield/low cost airline that had all of it's ops in the worst hit part of the country. I, and Doug Parker and Scott Kirby don't think it would have fared too well over the last few years. No need to thank us.

For a majority of four existences our contract was inferior to yours. Maybe but as time marches on that is changing. Since 2004 you have been vastly inferior to the industry.
So 6 years of LOA 93.
Years on service
15 years 40% of your career at bottom wages. Getting close to being a majority of a career at vastly inferior wages.
20 years 30%
25 years 24%
30 years 20% of a career scraping the bottom.

How much longer are you willing to wait? 4-5 years.
10 years on LOA 93 wages.
20 years 50%
25 years 40%
30 years 30% of a career at BK wages and work rules. As you put it inferior wages. Longing for the glory days of what you had does not cut it. Let’s not forget that attrition you all place so much value on. How many are going to retire at BK wages bottom of the industry? Remembering what you used to make and seeing the last pay check walking out the door might anger some people.
Do you believe that usapa can get a contract good enough to make up for any of that

Yeah, but! Yeah, but! AWA's contracts sucked and set the bar for those of us that went through Chp 11. What about the target for LOA 93? Believe me or not. Again, it was the ALPA led MEC that got us there. Will USAPA get us out? I doubt it with the current leadership, but the majority seems to support them so I'm along for the ride, just like you.




You have your opinion. The guy whose opinion mattered disagreed.

We will see, won't we?


Not just you but guys like you.

Yeah, mean old nasty easties like me.


It turns out that they were not mainline. the company took their longevity for time there. The court has not rule on the MDA DFR so you can't point to that. Just because it was the same certificate does not matter.

Well, who the XXXX did they fly for? Delta? Do you fly for US?

 

[Freebird]

You've got a phone if you don't there probably is a RENT-A-CENTER near you! I'm still waiting on the CARDS? Show a little FREEBIRD and fly them on down so All of us can vote,( not just us MIGS)MM! PS The CLT update said it all I will be glad to pass his number friend!

What part of your post is supposed to be coherent? 5 posts back you stated:

"Sure will, be glad to vote, Usapa,doh, see how easy it is!MM, ps I know voting can be a scary thing but it really is quite simple!"

I'm asking that you back up your post. Or, were you just a little dizzy at the time you posted?

I'd comment more, but I'd be detracting from your literacy, quoted above.


USAPA = Stay desperate, my Friend

 

[Pi brat]

Yes, we recalled pilots.

What is your point?

That pilots with no job waiting to be recalled should be senior to pilots with jobs?

That's ridiculous.

I agree that we should have gotten some kind of credit for the retirement attrition we brought to the merger.

Maybe the upgrades could have been proportional to the retirements

Did we ever ask for retirement attrition credit?

No, we forced the merger committee to adopt a position that had zero chance of success under the ALPA merger policy.

We lost the retirement attrition because of our own stupidity and greed.

I don't disagree with you on somethings, but I think your anger at your fellow pilots colors your judgment.

Our furloughed pilots had the positions that would be vacated by their fellow pilots to look forward to. US has lifetime recall rights, so no other pilot could take a vacancy on the east if a furloughed pilot wanted it.

Think about it. How understaffed were we in May 2005? How many pilots should have already been called back. I just cannot see why a west pilot should have the right to any east job for the rest of his career, in front of east pilots that put up to 15-20 years in here.

Just because you don't think Nic got it wrong(parts of it) doesn't mean you believe everything USAPA believes and stands for. As I've said before, this pilot group resembles our country-one side or the other, no middle ground and if the other guy doesn't agree with you he/she is just stupid.

 

[RSVP767]

Today, August 13, 2010, Judge Wake issued an Order in compliance with the Mandate of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. Judge Wake’s Order directs that “the Partial Judgment and Permanent Injunction entered July 17, 2009 is vacated.” Furthermore, the Order mandates that the entire Addington action is dismissed for lack of subject matter jurisdiction.

While the Order speaks for itself, the practical effect is that the injunction ordering USAPA to implement Nicolau has now been dissolved and the entire Addington lawsuit has now been dismissed and is no longer pending in front of Judge Wake.


USAPA Legal

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

What part of your post is supposed to be coherent? 5 posts back you stated:

"Sure will, be glad to vote, Usapa,doh, see how easy it is!MM, ps I know voting can be a scary thing but it really is quite simple!"

I'm asking that you back up your post. Or, were you just a little dizzy at the time you posted?

I'd comment more, but I'd be detracting from your literacy, quoted above.


USAPA = Stay desperate, my Friend

I voted in the EXEC VP election, GH won a resounding victory, Show us the cards! lets vote! The only detraction is that Lynard Skynard song in the background, what is it ," THAT SMELL", man you really should tone it down MM! your friend!

 

[Pi brat]

Your fear and doubt are clearly stated in your response.

What are you afraid of? A contract may pass? Prove your resolve, or lack thereof.

I just have to tell you, the only thing worse than a pathetic, stupid commercial is......................

 

[Hate2fly]

Today, August 13, 2010, Judge Wake issued an Order in compliance with the Mandate of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. Judge Wake’s Order directs that “the Partial Judgment and Permanent Injunction entered July 17, 2009 is vacated.” Furthermore, the Order mandates that the entire Addington action is dismissed for lack of subject matter jurisdiction.

While the Order speaks for itself, the practical effect is that the injunction ordering USAPA to implement Nicolau has now been dissolved and the entire Addington lawsuit has now been dismissed and is no longer pending in front of Judge Wake.


USAPA Legal

Someone got spanked! Tough day for the desert judge. Too bad...............

Where is aqua and fergie? Are they out raising money? We love having Cleary at the tip of the spear!

Keep the donations coming!

Hate

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Someone got spanked! Tough day for the desert judge. Too bad...............

Where is aqua and fergie? Are they out raising money? We love having Cleary at the tip of the spear!

Keep the donations coming!

Hate

I guess FREEBIRD, and the rest are paying the credit card bills for the party after WAKES court room antics, NO - INJUNCTION, Man what is the bill up to, waiting for that SUPREME COURT filing maybe those donations from facebook, with the ALPA numbers and all would help, but hey, Carwashes, Integrity Matters T's sales should help fund the effort , how's the CARD DRIVE COMING? , Rember the FA's ARE NOT REPRESENTED BY USAPA, and they have a seniority list but no contract! Lets blame USAPA! MM!

 

[Freebird]

Someone got spanked! Tough day for the desert judge. Too bad...............

Where is aqua and fergie? Are they out raising money? We love having Cleary at the tip of the spear!

Keep the donations coming!

Hate

Spoken like a true AFO hoping to avoid commitment and honor by hoping to create a windfall for herself by leapfrogging the careers of West pilots. Keep the DFR's coming.

Integrity does matter ladies.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Spoken like a true AFO hoping to avoid commitment and honor by hoping to create a windfall for herself by leapfrogging the careers of West pilots. Keep the DFR's coming.

Integrity does matter ladies.

Actually HATE is in the ACC but heck, but the ladies do like him! ( Angry Captains Club) MM!

 

[Freebird]

I guess FREEBIRD, and the rest are paying the credit card bills for the party after WAKES court room antics, NO - INJUNCTION, Man what is the bill up to, waiting for that SUPREME COURT filing maybe those donations from facebook, with the ALPA numbers and all would help, but hey, Carwashes, Integrity Matters T's sales should help fund the effort , how's the CARD DRIVE COMING? ,

We're just defending our careers because your pilot group lacks the ability to honor their agreements.

Rember the FA's ARE NOT REPRESENTED BY USAPA, and they have a seniority list but no contract! Lets blame USAPA! MM!

Usapa is holding the entire company hostage. Trying to get around Binding Arbitration. Read Bradfords letter, or, have someone read it to you. Either way, you will see the smoking gun is your attempt to avoid the Nic Award. DOH is DOA.

Unfortunately, it is the West being drug down in the gutter with the DISHONOR of the EAST.

 

[NYGiantsFan90]

Do any of you actually realize no matter how much chest thumping you do, none of you know whats gonna happen nor are a lawyer or judge, your mostly just wasting your time and energy?

 

[Freebird]

Actually HATE is in the ACC but heck, but the ladies do like him! ( Angry Captains Club) MM!

Wouldnt that be the ACCWELTSAAjB?

(Angry Captains Club Who Earn Less Than Spirit, Airtran, Allegiant, and jetBlue)