US Pilots Labor Discussion 6/29- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[RSVP767]

Remember the blog by the lawyer with no RLA experience likening this to a chess match? Such great joy for taking a pawn...

Jim

I'd say more like 'CHECK' Jim.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Don't know if you will see this, Jeff.

I have the utmost respect for you and appreciate the work you have done and are doing for USAPA.

But I see this as two members expressing their democratic right to have a representative recalled. It's still the process at work. If Steve Crimi should remain in office, then the petition for signatures or the recall election itself will fail. It's the will of the pilots, and nothing else.

I don't know Steve Crimi at all. From my limited viewpoint, I think he should stay in office. He never performed struck work, simply burned some cash for a union-busting airline. Maybe he should not have done it. But I certainly don't think his poor judgment in this case rises to the level of a recall.

It's still the democratic process. In researching this quote, I found a lot of people made a similar comment, but I will quote this one: "In a democracy you get the government you deserve and you deserve the government you get." It is attributed to an unnamed British prime minister. And so it is with USAPA. The line pilots were greatly empowered when they certified USAPA versus what they could do with ALPA. If we choose to elect weak representation that allows officers unbridled power grabs, then that is what we deserve.

 

[767jetz]

Is that it for this round or can they take it to the Supreme Court?

My guess is that the next step will be to wait for a contract and see what USAPA and management do. It has still not been clearly answered what the company will do with regard to the transition agreement and the accepted list. After that there will be more court action to unfold.

Interestingly, now the excuses will be removed and all the bravado we've been hearing from many will be put to the test.

 

[RSVP767]

BTW you won nothing. The case was delayed. That's it. Has Judge Wake dismissed the case yet? Is the injunction still in place? Do you have DOH yet? Are you still working under LOA 93?

Remind me what have you won?

In due time, in due time.....shouldn't be long now though given todays Order from the Ninth!


"With today's Order, the plaintiffs have exhausted their post-decision options with the Ninth Circuit. A mandate will issue shortly from the Ninth Circuit, consistent with the directive contained within the June 4th decision, remanding the case to Judge Wake with instructions that the entire action be dismissed. After receiving this mandate, Judge Wake will then issue an order dismissing the entire Addington action."

 

[nycbusdriver]

My guess is that the next step will be to wait for a contract and see what USAPA and management do. It has still not been clearly answered what the company will do with regard to the transition agreement and the accepted list. After that there will be more court action to unfold.

Interestingly, now the excuses will be removed and all the bravado we've been hearing from many will be put to the test.

I think you will shortly see that none of it is "bravado." Simply the union following the mandate of its Constitution and By-Laws. My guess is that the NAC will go back to their original seniority proposal based on DOH with conditions and restrictions. If it is cost neutral to the company, Doug will probably sign off on it. After all, it is NOT Doug's job to negotiate FOR the pilots, but with the union. And, as has been mentioned before, the union holds all the responsibility of duty of fair representation. If the Addington bunch try to sue the company over a DOH list in the contract, any judge will quickly dismiss it, as the RLA governs how union members redress grievances with their employer. It's called the grievance process. Try grieving a DOH list with the company. See what that gets you.

No, if anything there will be another DFR lawsuit based on the same premise as the dismissed Addington case. If a majority of the west MIGS vote to ratify the new contract, that fact will be brought up in court, basically taking most of the wind out of the sails of the plaintiffs.

Doubtful that any judge will issue an injunction stopping a live labor contract. (Well, Wake might. Heard he loves the spankings he gets.)

 

[nic4us]

I'd say more like 'CHECK' Jim.

I would say more like, "your it".

Now try and "tag" that elusive contract that you have created an impasse toward.

Then if by some miracle usapa does not fall apart in the interim, and actually gets a contract that contains something other than the Nic in section 22. Get sued, waste money, lose "unquestionably ripe DFR".

BTW, read the latest CLT update. Looks like it is full steam ahead towards that "unquestionably ripe DFR", from the CLT reps, who seem unable to cover even the most basic tenents of their blatant DFR intentions.

Any of them facing recall?

 

[RSVP767]

I would say more like, "your it".

Now try and "tag" that elusive contract that you have created an impasse toward.

Then if by some miracle usapa does not fall apart in the interim, and actually gets a contract that contains something other than the Nic in section 22. Get sued, waste money, lose "unquestionably ripe DFR".

BTW, read the latest CLT update. Looks like it is full steam ahead towards that "unquestionably ripe DFR", from the CLT reps, who seem unable to cover even the most basic tenents of their blatant DFR intentions.

Any of them facing recall?

Nah,.......more like 'CHECK'!

 

[nic4us]

In due time, in due time.....shouldn't be long now though given todays Order from the Ninth!


"With today's Order, the plaintiffs have exhausted their post-decision options with the Ninth Circuit. A mandate will issue shortly from the Ninth Circuit, consistent with the directive contained within the June 4th decision, remanding the case to Judge Wake with instructions that the entire action be dismissed. After receiving this mandate, Judge Wake will then issue an order dismissing the entire Addington action."

I would think it would not take long for the 9th to issue its mandate.

However, here is a funny little twist to your fast track to DFR ratification.

Judge Wake has been assigned to a little case you may have heard of. It seems the DOJ is suing the State of Arizona over what is called AZ SB1070. I guess President Obama does not like the new Arizona law he did not read, and had the Attorney General do something about it.

National politics and all, a very busy judge like Wake may not be in a big hurry to cater to the wants of a fake union on a mission to commit a DFR.

 

[Freighterguynow]

National politics and all, a very busy judge like Wake may not be in a big hurry to cater to the wants of a fake union on a mission to commit a DFR.

All the more suspicious how he fast tracked anything and everything for the Addington plaintiffs. The 'hobby' case.......

 

[Hate2fly]

I would think it would not take long for the 9th to issue its mandate.

However, here is a funny little twist to your fast track to DFR ratification.

Judge Wake has been assigned to a little case you may have heard of. It seems the DOJ is suing the State of Arizona over what is called AZ SB1070. I guess President Obama does not like the new Arizona law he did not read, and had the Attorney General do something about it.

National politics and all, a very busy judge like Wake may not be in a big hurry to cater to the wants of a fake union on a mission to commit a DFR.

This should be fun to watch......the desert judge on the big stage in front of the world! GWB should be proud! Mission Accomplished!

Watch for an announcement coming from the company next week.....................it is time to get on the big bus!

I told you westies 2010 was going to be a good year for the east.

LOA 93 pay restoration

MDA

Recalls and new hires coming soon.

East attrition is getting ready to go gang busters.

Best thing to ever happen USAPA! Best money ever spent.

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[Hate2fly]

All the more suspicious how he fast tracked anything and everything for the Addington plaintiffs. The 'hobby' case.......

That is what happens when someone has a best friend.............

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[Hate2fly]

Hey westies,

Where is aqua or fergie? They must be writing the Army update as we speak. This one should be really good. Keep the donations coming.

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[nic4us]

Nah,.......more like 'CHECK'!

If you mean as in....'Check Please'....and give it to the fake union that commits the DFRs.

Then you are probably correct.

 

[cactusboy53]

Hey westies,

Where is aqua or fergie? They must be writing the Army update as we speak. This one should be really good. Keep the donations coming.

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Careful dude. You're urinating all over yourself. You should go home and change your pants.

I'll keep you and those like you in my daily prayers.....really.

Dave

PS I was somehow reminded of this movie clip...I don't know why...

http://search.crackle.com/v/26543979/clips-the-karate-kid-body-bag.htm

 

[Hate2fly]

I haven't been called dude in many years. Mr. Miyagi was a very patient old man like many of us in the east. He gave Daniel great advice just like SSM&P has given USAPA. We usually don't prematurely adjudicate like the west seems to do. That younger smarter thing has really put you guys and gals in a bad spot. Nicolau didn't do you any favors. Wait your turn just like the rest of us have done for many years. From my perspective Dougie and Scotty should keep this thing seperate forever or just split it up when the time comes. None of us back here want anything the west has............period. You guys are already flying 20 percent of our flying anyway. It is over Johnny!

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