US Pilots Labor Discussion 6/29- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[nic4us]

You forgot the most important part:

The perpetrators should be in JAIL!

Now Oldie, I think the defendants would take a financial settlement. No need to throw the fake union officials in jail.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Now Oldie, I think the defendants would take a financial settlement. No need to throw the fake union officials in jail.

So much bravado, so few facts.

Let's see, the AWAPPA and west guys will be paying 1/3 of the legal bills, plus the settlement. It doesn't seem like enough to me, but, USAPA must like you guys.

 

[nic4us]

I don't know any of the defendants.

What they did was illegal, morally wrong and childish.

Well let me introduce you to some of them.

I believe 2 of the 3 PHX usapa reps are defendants. Along with a PHX assistant chief pilot.

It is not illegal, morally wrong or childish, to raise money to protect yourself from a hostile union.

 

[cleardirect]

I already stated that this was a CIVIL, not criminal suit.

The BOTTOM line, YOU BREAK THE LAW, YOU PAY THE CONSEQUENCES.

I, for one, DO NOT think this should be dismissed. The things some folks did was HEINOUS. I think the Feds should be looking into it for some of the things they are accused of, including mailing HAZMAT.

This was a minor, misinformed attempt at terrorism, pure and simple. They attempted to cause fear in an attempt to accomplish their goals. Where do you draw the line between mailing poop and what Pi Brat was talking about? I actually think it should have remained a criminal case, even though winning it would have been more difficult. They got really lucky. USAPA is only suing for cash. Pretty magnanimous on their part.

And another thing. I've got to wonder about the mental and emotional stability of someone that would do something like the things these 18+ are accused of. How much more would it have taken for one of the defendants to mail something that could do real damage?

I have asked several times and have been ignored. Where are the charges of tampering with the mail? Can you name the person that allegedly mailed anything? Nope not in the complaint.

So if you think usapa is magnanimous for not filing criminal charges but you continue to push for criminal charges. What does that make you? A little something less than magnanimous.

Accusations that were dismissed. Where is it so hard for some of you to understand that concept? Dismissed with prejudice.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

I have asked several times and have been ignored. Where are the charges of tampering with the mail? Can you name the person that allegedly mailed anything? Nope not in the complaint.

So if you think usapa is magnanimous for not filing criminal charges but you continue to push for criminal charges. What does that make you? A little something less than magnanimous.

Accusations that were dismissed. Where is it so hard for some of you to understand that concept? Dismissed with prejudice.

I guess that makes you lucky that I'm not a USAPA officer.

Actually, that was charge #3. Charges 3 thru 11 were dismissed WITHOUT PREJUDICE, meaning that that can be refiled. Won't need to until AFTER the appeal.

The charges were dismissed because they were filed in the incorrect venue. Or, so says the Judge. JUdges have been wrong. I saw it happen just recently.

It's been appealed and is awaiting a verdict by the Fourth Circuit. Your record on appeals is...what?

Children must play.

 

[nic4us]

Your record on appeals is...what?

We won't know the answere to that for another couple of weeks.

 

[cleardirect]

I guess that makes you lucky that I'm not a USAPA officer.

Actually, that was charge #3. Charges 3 thru 11 were dismissed WITHOUT PREJUDICE, meaning that that can be refiled. Won't need to until AFTER the appeal.

The charges were dismissed because they were filed in the incorrect venue. Or, so says the Judge. JUdges have been wrong. I saw it happen just recently.

It's been appealed and is awaiting a verdict by the Fourth Circuit. Your record on appeals is...what?

Children must play.

The federal charges were dismissed with prejudice.


The state charges filed in federal court were dismissed because they were in the wrong venue. But go ahead and give it try filing in state court. It would be interesting to see what happens.

Sometimes judges are wrong but this case your wrong. That would be Seham.

I think we are all lucky that you are not an usapa officer.

But you failed to answer my question. Where is the charge of tampering with the mail and who was charged? Any response?

 

[oldiebutgoody]

The federal charges were dismissed with prejudice.


The state charges filed in federal court were dismissed because they were in the wrong venue. But go ahead and give it try filing in state court. It would be interesting to see what happens.

Sometimes judges are wrong but this case your wrong. That would be Seham.

I think we are all lucky that you are not an usapa officer.

But you failed to answer my question. Where is the charge of tampering with the mail and who was charged? Any response?

You don't have a clue about what you're talking about. You will soon enough, though.

Did you even read the charges? Obviously not. It's right there.

 

[Black Swan]

We won't know the answere to that for another couple of weeks.

When have you been told you will hear?

 

[nic4us]

You don't have a clue about what you're talking about. You will soon enough, though.

Did you even read the charges? Obviously not. It's right there.

Oldie,

No individual was named for the alleged mail incident.

What is obvious is that Cleardirect knows far more than you about this case.

In other words, ichtsnay uttentay on de actusey teeneightay, that is jibberish (learn something new every day), for it is best you don't comment on the cactus 18.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Oldie,

No individual was named for the alleged mail incident.

What is obvious is that Cleardirect knows far more than you about this case.

In other words, ichtsnay uttentay on de actusey teeneightay, that is jibberish (learn something new every day), for it is best you don't comment on the cactus 18.

Like I said, chlidren must play.

You guys keep up the wishful thinking. Whatever gets you through the day. I only know what I read. I'm not one of the defendants, so he MAY well know more than me. Same goes for you. There's a lot in those legal papers defendants get served.

 

[Freighterguynow]

I agreed with the lawsuit only to the extent it stopped malicious behavior. It's WAY past time for this to be dropped.

 

[Pilot692]

Actually it's more like 22-24 and most of them are on trial for doing what you and I are doing right now, making web posts. Oldie, this thing is a dog. USAPA's suit got the really troubling actions stopped pretty quick, and that was what mattered. The rest is for spending the other sides money and retribution. It should have ended long ago, and I'm not the only east pilot that feels that way. Several on the BPR do, but just not enough.

"Several" is the whole Board now, isn't it?

 

[cleardirect]

You don't have a clue about what you're talking about. You will soon enough, though.

Did you even read the charges? Obviously not. It's right there.

It is you that does not know what you are talking about.

Yes I read the charges. "It's right there" Where, point to the charge not just the allegation. There were two federal charges both of them RICO. No mail charges. Now would you care to withdraw and admit that you are wrong?

Otherwise prove your case. cut and paste the charges from the complaint for all to see. Where are the mail tampering charges?

 

[oldiebutgoody]

It is you that does not know what you are talking about.

Yes I read the charges. "It's right there" Where, point to the charge not just the allegation. There were two federal charges both of them RICO. No mail charges. Now would you care to withdraw and admit that you are wrong?

Otherwise prove your case. cut and paste the charges from the complaint for all to see. Where are the mail tampering charges?

Here you go, bucko.

You could have done this yourself...

from pages 19-20 of the complaint...

79. On or about May 26, 2008, the U.S. Postal Service informed USAPA that injurious articles, including rocks, have been sent through the mail addressed to USAPA’s post office box. There were also two instances in April 2008 of envelopes containing feces being sent through the mail to USAPA’s post office box. Upon information and belief, such mailings were made with intent to injure other persons, the mails or other property. The mailing of such nonmailable matter violates 18 U.S.C. § 1716, and subjects the person(s) responsible to fine or imprisonment of not more than
twenty years, or both. The U.S. Postal Service has requested USAPA’s assistance in identifying the responsible parties and putting an end to this unlawful conduct. Upon information and belief, one or more of the defendants or their co-conspirators are responsible for this conduct.

Once the appeal is successful, this will be part of the charges against the defendants....
The appeal is just to establish jurisdiction, as well as reverse the judge's ruling to dismiss the first two charges (not this one) with prejudice.

Yea, you know it all.