US Pilots Labor Discussion 6/29- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[Metroyet]

You assumed I was a pilot when you corrected my spelling. Did you not? The only logic I used was that it was a "Merger", and I was aiming that at the liquidation part of your post. You are assuming something that nobody can see because it did not happen. Period. And yes I am sensitive when it comes to my job, and with those who wish I lost it 5 years ago, because they have some delusion that an outcome that they desired did not happen.

I don't wish you would have lost your job 5 years ago...the natural business cycle and capitalism was going to take it from you. I know it didn't happen...however, did you know that your executive management testified under oath that your company was toast absent this merger? Did you know that America West Cash actually covered your last two paychecks before the merger was announced because the "old" US Airways was out of cash and ready to liquidate? Again, sorry if facts ruffle your feathers but if reality makes you squeamish, you picked the wrong industry to work in. Perhaps you should consider getting thicker skin or just staying off this website all together. I did assume you were a pilot. You probably assumed I was a former America West pilot as well. We're both wrong and both mistakes are equally irrelevant to the over arching point.

The only "outcome" to this situation is years more legal problems. USAPA already lost once when ripeness wasn't an issue. They'll lose again when this case is "unquestionably" right as the 9th said. I'm guessing you're pissed about hitching your wagon via the "me too" clause to the pilots contract negotiations East or West, That was a mistake. If this place goes CH.7 as a result of this fight, too bad. The failure of this merger rests equally on the lap of Doug Parker, Steve Bradford, Scott Sewer, Mark King, Mike Cleary, Steve Crimi, et.al. not on the minority that fought for their legal rights.

That's like blaming Rosa Parks for crappy bus service.

 

[cleardirect]

It's a good thing USAPA doesn't need an arbitrator. DOH/LOS has worked great for every other labor group at LCC, and, in fact, I've NEVER heard of ANY company having an issue with it. Only arrogant pilots that think they can get something for nothing think there are better ways.

Would you be talking about east pilots that wanted to use W-2 earnings for the trump integration? Where was that gold standard DOH then?

I think that LCC would have a huge problem if they move away from an arbitrated award. For many reasons.

BTW I have never heard of a group of pilots using the majority to avoid binding aribitration after they agreed it. Have you?

 

[cleardirect]

Weather this is true/not true, or just pure speculation on your part, IT DID NOT HAPPEN!!!!! Two companies merged, there was no one bought the other, it was a MERGER! The only fact should be, USAirways remains. For both sides. Get over it already. As much as you would have liked it to be true, sadly it is not. I am sorry that I do not live on the "What If Planet" like you do, for example, what happens "if" AWA didn't merge with US? Who really cares. The merger happened. Come back to Earth. Stop bringing up this "What If" argument. Because there is no "What If" in this case. BTW, thank you for your callous attitude wanting all the other employees on the "East" side to lose jobs with your "What If" fantasy.

Maybe you have missed comment by east posters. But you attacked a west poster for discussing a well documented path to liquidation. No it did not happen but it was coming, the merger stopped it.

But you did not comment on all of the other speculation or “what if’s” that east posters have made.

That AWA was also going to liquidated too.
That the west is going to be sold to Republic.
That the PHX hub loses money.
That PHX will be shrunk by 20-30-40%.

Just 5 posts prior to yours.

OH NO METRO MAN , word up, take a look at the ECONOMIC DATA around you, this AIRLINE, will not be here a year from now, it will be sliced diced and spit up, 8% domestic market , PHX , SWA will bleed it dry , your best bet LEAVE! MM! Any EAST pilot holds at least a valuable position to any entity moving forward your PHX hub is a money loser wake up ! MM!

All speculation without facts. Do you also have a problem with these what if’s or not so much? Any comment about an east poster wanting west employees to lose their job by being bleed dry by SWA?

 

[pjirish317]

Maybe you have missed comment by east posters. But you attacked a west poster for discussing a well documented path to liquidation. No it did not happen but it was coming, the merger stopped it.

But you did not comment on all of the other speculation or “what if’s” that east posters have made.

That AWA was also going to liquidated too.
That the west is going to be sold to Republic.
That the PHX hub loses money.
That PHX will be shrunk by 20-30-40%.

Just 5 posts prior to yours.


All speculation without facts. Do you also have a problem with these what if’s or not so much? Any comment about an east poster wanting west employees to lose their job by being bleed dry by SWA?

Clear & Metro,

I have a problem with all "What If's". I am sorry for getting my feathers all ruffeled up. I do not wish anybody lose their job at all. I should have kept my nose out of it, but, my emotions got the better of me. So again I apologize. Metro, we do not have a "me too" clause anywhere in our CBA, the only thing that had me upset was, again my assumption, was your comment about liquidation. So again my apologies.

 

[Pi brat]

Not an attack, just reflecting your same logic back at you.
Don't care you're not a pilot. Not relevant.
If you feel "attacked" by your own logic , I don't really know what to say to you. Sorry for your delicate sensibilities.

It sure looked like an attack. All your posts look like angry attacks. You jumped on the poster for his spelling, saying a pilot should know the difference between weather and whether, as if pilots should be English majors. Good Lord, look at the spelling and grammar in most of these posts, including mine. It's a web board, not Eng 101. A pilot should be able to read the whole post and get the meaning of it, and also be keen enough to see the IAM link at the bottom and deduce that the posters is probably not a pilot.

The poster was just pointing out, correctly, that despite what maybe, probably, could of, should of happened, US Airways never liquidated.

 

[Pi brat]

Did you know that America West Cash actually covered your last two paychecks before the merger was announced because the "old" US Airways was out of cash and ready to liquidate?

Were they "out" of cash or against the min cash covenants? Could anything else have been done, or did they just use AWA cash since the merger was about to close and a boatload of new cash was coming in and it didn't really matter? Cash that neither airline would have gotten on their own. The biggest question I have since it has been thrown up to me so many times that my job was saved, how much cash out of their own pockets did AWA pilots contribute to save my job?

I have said before that US was probably toast without this merger, but we are not without the merger and in that case any speculation about the future of US or AWA is just a guess. What we have seen happen since then is not a guess, so why do we keep going over the guesses? In the famous words of Steven Wolf, we are where we are. Let's deal with it and stop trying to rewrite history.

 

[Al Legheny]

It sure looked like an attack. All your posts look like angry attacks. You jumped on the poster for his spelling, saying a pilot should know the difference between weather and whether, as if pilots should be English majors. Good Lord, look at the spelling and grammar in most of these posts, including mine. It's a web board, not Eng 101. A pilot should be able to read the whole post and get the meaning of it, and also be keen enough to see the IAM link at the bottom and deduce that the posters is probably not a pilot.

The poster was just pointing out, correctly, that despite what maybe, probably, could of, should of happened, US Airways never liquidated.

Yawwwn.........Gee I wonder what's new on the paint drying or grass growning channel......

 

[Freighterguynow]

BTW I have never heard of a group of pilots using the majority to avoid binding aribitration after they agreed it. Have you?

Have you heard about the only pilot group in the history of ALPA to deny another a raise?

 

[Barrister]

Have you heard about the only pilot group in the history of ALPA to deny another a raise?

Dudes, he's right. When you opposed pay parity you lost this group BIGTIME,
except for a few harliners who would run over their mothers for the ALPA gravy
train!!

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Maybe CLEAR, you could fill us in on " ZANZIBAR" oh there is economic data on each HUB , maybe you choose to neglect it, BTW luved the unbiased facts explain, laughed all day about it! MM!

 

[nic4us]

Have you heard about the only pilot group in the history of ALPA to deny another a raise?

Yes, heard of them.

Heard stories of how they walked out of contract negotiations, elected a fake union, denied those they represent their rights under section 6 of the RLA, caused years of hardships on the pilot group, their members and other employees in the company.

Also heard they got sued. Rumor has it, they will get sued again.

So yes, we have all heard of them. But I fail to see how denying yourself and others a raise will get the east pilot group out of a binding arbitration.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Yes, heard of them.

Heard stories of how they walked out of contract negotiations, elected a fake union, denied those they represent their rights under section 6 of the RLA, caused years of hardships on the pilot group, their members and other employees in the company.

Also heard they got sued. Rumor has it, they will get sued again.

So yes, we have all heard of them. But I fail to see how denying yourself and others a raise will get the east pilot group out of a binding arbitration.

somebody go tap the record player. I keep hearing the same jibberish over and over again.

 

[nic4us]

Maybe CLEAR, you could fill us in on " ZANZIBAR"

No need to fill you in MM. Lets just say the necessary changes having been made, Zanzibar is still a portion of Tanzania and unrelated to our corporation, our employees, or most notably, the fake union or its illegal position on how to treat those it must represent.

 

[700UW]

Have you heard about the only pilot group in the history of ALPA to deny another a raise?

Last time I checked the company gives the raises not a union, and if US wants to pay you more than book rates they are free to do so, the rates in the CBA are minimums.

 

[nic4us]

somebody go tap the record player. I keep hearing the same jibberish over and over again.

Did you mean gibberish?

Or did you mean to imply that a change of sail was occuring from one side to the other of the floundering uss usapa?