US Pilots Labor Discussion 6/20- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[nic4us]

Without the merger 24% of your pilots wouldn't be here. Put an additional 24% of the America West pilots on the street and lets see just what your "value" is today.

Well going by what Mr. Parker has said in crew news sessions, just rewatched so I could quote pretty accurately, " I do not know where we would be without the merger, well I know where the east would be, they would be gone, but I do not know where we would be, maybe something similar to what Frontier is doing."

So perhaps you are correct and 24% of the West would be on the street. But one thing is for certain, without the merger 100% of the east would be on the street.

Todays value is measured today. Yesterdays value was measured yesterday. Tommorrows value will be measured tommorrow, and as it pertains to seniority integration at LCC, that value is measured by the Nicolau Award.

 

[nic4us]

Point. Set. MATCH. And some of them STILL Don't Get it! (It must be the desert sun that has fried THEIR BRAINS)! Talk about beating a DEAD horse for historical purposes.

What don't we get?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Point. Set. MATCH. And some of them STILL Don't Get it!

Maybe if you stopped and thought for a second or two you'd realize why the merger was structured as it was - that change of control language you think gives you so much leverage in a merger. As I said when you were all crowing about how important that CofC language was, I pointed out that Parker had easily gotten around it once and could undoubtedly do it again.

Jim

 

[Pi brat]

Had that happened America West would have continued to grow, most likely at an accelerated level due to the void left by US Airways.

Really!? Do you truly believe this?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Hey Jim.....weren't you an east pilot back then??????

Yes I was, and unfortunately in the minority on the question of how to treat the Shuttle pilots in that integration.

Jim

 

[A320 Driver]

Yes I was, and unfortunately in the minority on the question of how to treat the Shuttle pilots in that integration.

Jim

Eastern Date of Hire?

 

[Ames]

Really!? Do you truly believe this?

Absolutely!

 

[767jetz]

Absolutely!

So does almost everyone outside of the east pilot group.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Eastern Date of Hire?

Actually, what they ended up with in arbitration (relative position per equipment). The majority - you know, the one's demanding the DOH "gold standard" now - wanted them to get less than relative position - integration by pay rate.

Jim

 

[CaptBud330]

If you want to see a date of hire merger policy, get you hands on a Allegheny Mohawk combined seniority list from 1971. The seniority goes from 1968 date of hire to 1969 then back to 1968. This occurred because we were on furlough from Mohawk but working for Allegheny at the time of the merger. So pilots hired in 1969 were senior to Mohawk pilots hired in 1968. So much for DOH.

 

[Pi brat]

So does almost everyone outside of the east pilot group.

You think that AWA, one of the lowest margin airlines in the business, competing with SWA in it's biggest hub, losing money in 2004, would have expanded in the worst economy since the great depression? I thought you were smarter than that.

And the east is delusional?

 

[Barrister]

Yes I was, and unfortunately in the minority on the question of how to treat the Shuttle pilots in that integration.

Jim

Well enlighten us!!!

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[Pi brat]

Absolutely!

delusions of grandeur

 

[BoeingBoy]

I'd say that US had a worse operating margin than HP in 2004. The fact is that no one knows what effect US liquidating in 2005 would have had on HP's fortunes, other than to say it couldn't have made them worse. One thing is certain, however - a liquidation of US would have left all of us that worked for US without a job.

Jim

 

[Ames]

You think that AWA, one of the lowest margin airlines in the business, competing with SWA in it's biggest hub, losing money in 2004, would have expanded in the worst economy since the great depression? I thought you were smarter than that.

And the east is delusional?

Do some research. Prior to the "merger" announcement AWA had two quarters of profit and was well on the way to a third. In addition, the company was growing around 10% with regular Airbus deliveries and actively hiring pilots. America West held its own against Southwest for 20 years prior to attaching itself to the Titanic of airlines. Oh, yeah, in 2004 the economy was pretty good.