US Pilots Labor Discussion 5/13- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[Flippin43]

Ferguson and Leonidas, and the junk mailers were after the legally elected union long before the seniority arb. was even heard. They were trying to union bust from day one. There was no defense, just offense.

BS,

Be a sport and tell me, what is in the drink you consume when you come up with these stories!!!!! It's got to make moonshine seem like Kool-Aid.

When you make this stuff up or more likely parrot what others have made up. It shoots your credibility all to hell.


Flip

 

[cleardirect]

Ferguson and Leonidas, and the junk mailers were after the legally elected union long before the seniority arb. was even heard. They were trying to union bust from day one. There was no defense, just offense.

Would the witness like to check the facts before answering anymore questions?

Nicolau Arbitration May 1, 2007

USAPA certified April 18, 2008

How can anyone believe anything you say when you BS are so far off?

 

[Ames]

Excrement and broken glass, I have seen the boxes, yes boxes, of such examples first hand. In one case I know of personally the young daughter of a USAPA volunteer plunged her hand into one of these envelopes. I don't know about you other fathers out there but I would lose my friggin mind if someone placed my daughter in that situation. Anyone who who condones that type of action isn't much in my book.

What idiot would have his daughter "plunging her hands" into union business anyway? The only person putting that girl in harm's way is obviously the parent who appears to take neither his child nor his union duties seriously.

 

[cleardirect]

Ferguson and co. have done nothing but start one lawsuit after another. It is going to take the 9th to get this thing back on the tracks. The disruption started long before the seniority dispute.

Maybe you forgot the coast to coast picketing. Maybe you forgot it was the east NC that walked away from JNC.

I guess you are talking about the east starting the disruption.

 

[N924PS]

Ferguson and co. have done nothing but start one lawsuit after another. It is going to take the 9th to get this thing back on the tracks. The disruption started long before the seniority dispute.

So if the 9th rules against USAPA, can I count on you to contact your BPR members to get things back on track by accepting the Nic and moving on to a new and better contract?

 

[Ames]

A Crimi vote was a no vote for Ferguson. I do not support Crimi. However, the aggregate of the East voters did not support Ferguson.This is the telling vote. Quite a stretch to believe this supports anything to do with the Nic. and a contract. Those who supported the Nic most likely voted Ferguson. Hummel is extremely qualified. He should win easily. I am being truthful when I honestly say I very seldom if ever fly with anyone who would vote for a deal with the Nic in it. It just does not happen. If you feel better believing otherwise, than do as you wish.

What kind of twisted logic is this? If you wish to make a statement, vote for the candidate with the best chance of beating Ferguson rather than one with a "tainted" past? I am willing to bet that the court system or Parker himself will do something to implement the Nic knowing full well how the east plans on proceeding. If you don't believe that Parker can put us all under one contract tomorrow you are fooling yourselves. But then again, the east sense of reality is a form of fooling themselves.

 

[Barrister]

It is completely understandable that the east is upset.

The problem is who they are upset with, and their unfortunate behavior as a result of their misguided anger.

The Nicolau award did not devastate their careers as they claim. Your friend was not harmed by the Nic, s/he was harmed by the preceding years of bankruptcies and mismanagement, September 11, 2001, and a whole host of other unfortunate events that had befallen USAirways and our industry in general. The Nic is simply the result of those events quantified into a non-escapable reality of which the east is in denial.

Prior to the merger, they could hold out hope that somehow their airline would rebound and return to former status. But that was not in the cards. After the merger, they could individually hope for a DOH integration, that would propel them above 1500+ other pilots, and they could regain their 1986 career expectation. Well, it was not 1986, it was 2007, and any reasonable, unbiased individual who looked at the situation ( The new company, ALPA, the mediator and the arbitrator) tried to explain to them that what they sought was unobtainable, and that they were really not in a position to be asking for it, much less demanding it.

The bottom line is Nic affirmed it is not all about the east '86 hire, or the furloughed MDA pilot, or the east recalls that cannot hold group II. It was about merging two groups, with two sets of expectations, positions and status (i.e. Seniority). The seniority was merged in an equitable manner and it should have been time to move on.

So your friend has plenty of reasons to be upset, but s/he has no excuse for being angry with Nicolau or the West pilot group.

Dude, just keep believing yourself!!!

VNIIMN
NPJB

 

[aquagreen73s]

And if the 9th votes against us (the east pilots), exactly what will be "back on the tracks". I

$$$$ - Enough to make the West whole.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Defending against what? Mailing excrement in the mail? That started the game.

That's the smokescreen usapa uses, but the reality is the rico suit was an OFFENSIVE move by usapa. There has never been any proof of it, and none of the named defendants were linked to it. I doubt usapa even ever got it.

 

[cleardirect]

Excrement and broken glass, I have seen the boxes, yes boxes, of such examples first hand. In one case I know of personally the young daughter of a USAPA volunteer plunged her hand into one of these envelopes. I don't know about you other fathers out there but I would lose my friggin mind if someone placed my daughter in that situation. Anyone who who condones that type of action isn't much in my book.

Boxes and boxes. I suggest that you actually READ the RICO complaint and find out what you re talking about.

Would you mind pointing to the complaint and name the individual who is accused of mailing anything, anything at all. If there are so many boxes there should be at least one person actually charged and named for sending it.

The truth is that not a single person was named or charged with mail fraud or violation of federal postal laws.

Other than mentioning some random unsubstantiated allegation added for dramatic effect the only supposed evidence brought were calls to the information hotline and some web posts from a private web board. Not anywhere near what is needed for RICO charges.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Excrement and broken glass, I have seen the boxes, yes boxes, of such examples first hand. In one case I know of personally the young daughter of a USAPA volunteer plunged her hand into one of these envelopes. I don't know about you other fathers out there but I would lose my friggin mind if someone placed my daughter in that situation. Anyone who who condones that type of action isn't much in my book.

Go out and sue the hell out of people posting nonsense on a message board, that's usapa's high road solution? Your story is rubbish.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

What idiot would have his daughter "plunging her hands" into union business anyway? The only person putting that girl in harm's way is obviously the parent who appears to take neither his child nor his union duties seriously.

Do you really believe that story anyhow?

 

[nic4us]

Ferguson and co. have done nothing but start one lawsuit after another.

For those of you keeping score.

Number of lawsuits filed by AOL. 1.....verdict....usapa guilty.

Number of lawsuits filed by east. 2.....plus an appeal to there loss. verdicts...dismissed, dismissed with prejudice, and pending after a denial of request for stay of injunction and denial of "emergency" stay.

Got any other false accusations. Like the west walked out of contract negotiations, or started the hims committe up, or stormed Herndon, or have not followed their contractual obligations, or hired an inept lawyer, or bought a couple Buicks, or violated labor election laws, or sought pilot terminations, or willfully stolen other pilots jobs, or.......oh wait...those are all things usapa and the east has actually done.

 

[nic4us]

Ferguson and Leonidas, and the junk mailers were after the legally elected union long before the seniority arb. was even heard. They were trying to union bust from day one. There was no defense, just offense.

I guess you forgot that the fake union was elected after the seniority arbitration.

Remember? Nicolau, then east meltdown, then Wye River, then usapa, then guilty verdict.

Rumor has it, it was disgruntled former east ALPA reps that were upset with losing their gravy train that performed the alleged mailings. You know, the reps that were not practicing dual unionism, (using ALPA resources to solicit membership to form a new union). Got any former ALPA reps doing work at usapa.

 

[nic4us]

Dude, just keep believing yourself!!!

VNIIMN
NPJB

Dude, its not just a river in Egypt!!!