US Pilots Labor Discussion 5/13- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[Phoenix]

Mission accomplished!

Rode a van with a seemingly pleasant east captain. After studying his disgruntled and standoffish posture, brought on by the realization that he was going to have to ride with a West crew, I confronted him with the dreaded question. "are you going to xxxxx xxxxx hotel"? we exchanged some small talk on the trials of our just completed day, as I called to inquire on the whereabouts of our van. After a short wait we loaded up and headed for the layover. He had questions about the new Arizona immigration law. I spoke of relatives from his hometown, turns out he went to high school with my cousin.

Hope you are proud.

Awe shucks, hens are always delighted to see their chicks take their first flights. :blush:

 

[cleardirect]

This guy is getting nobodys' vote. If he was at Freedom, he had no business there, and will pay the price.

Steve Crimi 334 votes 12.65%

So much for the prognostication of the Black Swan. 334 east pilots have no problem with voting for a candidate that admits to union busting activity. So much for the integrity of the union concept. It seems more important to some east pilots about the outcome than anything else. Ignore his past because it supports Cleary. Talk about situational ethics.

If this is any proof of other prediction than I think we all know where the contract with the Nicolau will go.

So much for “all the east pilots will vote against a contract with Nic”

 

[Black Swan]

Steve Crimi 334 votes 12.65%

So much for the prognostication of the Black Swan. 334 east pilots have no problem with voting for a candidate that admits to union busting activity. So much for the integrity of the union concept. It seems more important to some east pilots about the outcome than anything else. Ignore his past because it supports Cleary. Talk about situational ethics.

If this is any proof of other prediction than I think we all know where the contract with the Nicolau will go.

So much for “all the east pilots will vote against a contract with Nic”

A Crimi vote was a no vote for Ferguson. I do not support Crimi. However, the aggregate of the East voters did not support Ferguson.This is the telling vote. Quite a stretch to believe this supports anything to do with the Nic. and a contract. Those who supported the Nic most likely voted Ferguson. Hummel is extremely qualified. He should win easily. I am being truthful when I honestly say I very seldom if ever fly with anyone who would vote for a deal with the Nic in it. It just does not happen. If you feel better believing otherwise, than do as you wish.

 

[Black Swan]

Steve Crimi 334 votes 12.65%

So much for the prognostication of the Black Swan. 334 east pilots have no problem with voting for a candidate that admits to union busting activity. So much for the integrity of the union concept. It seems more important to some east pilots about the outcome than anything else. Ignore his past because it supports Cleary. Talk about situational ethics.

If this is any proof of other prediction than I think we all know where the contract with the Nicolau will go.

So much for “all the east pilots will vote against a contract with Nic”

The logical conclusion would be Ferguson is also a Union Busting Pilot as he is a member of leonidas as well as the Cactus 18. Both out to destroy USAPA. Can't have it both ways.

 

[Barrister]

He retired 3 years ago as number 518.

Similar to the top half of West pilots list who are senior to the bulk of east attrition, he was unable to benefit from it.

NOW YOU ARE CATCHING ON!!!!!!!!!!

VNIIMN
NPJB

 

[Barrister]

You shave every morning?

The guy looking back at me when I get around to shaving, actually will end up with the same number on the day he retires and it ain't #1. No east pilots younger than him were put in front of him. However, many hundreds of east pilots within 3 years of his age were put in front of him. So the end effect is that rather than being in the top 10% for over an entire decade, he does not hit that mark until he has like 3 years to go. Instead of being in the top 100 for more than 5 years, he will hit that mark about 4 months before retirement. Instead of being in the top 20 his last few years, he will get there weeks before he retires.

He is not looking for sympathy, especially from east guys who spent decades moving backwards, just pointing out this supposed "windfall" is not all the east makes it out to be.

A lttle more whine with that salad sir!!!!!

VNIIMN
NPJB

 

[Flippin43]

A Crimi vote was a no vote for Ferguson. I do not support Crimi. However, the aggregate of the East voters did not support Ferguson.This is the telling vote. Quite a stretch to believe this supports anything to do with the Nic. and a contract. Those who supported the Nic most likely voted Ferguson. Hummel is extremely qualified. He should win easily. I am being truthful when I honestly say I very seldom if ever fly with anyone who would vote for a deal with the Nic in it. It just does not happen. If you feel better believing otherwise, than do as you wish.

BS,

Just like everytime a contract is negotiated. Everybody wants a jillion Dollars and NO One will say otherwise (looks bad etc) . And low and behold LOA 93 passes....................................

The problem with your whole scientific poll there, is that when they vote they will not be sittin next to you or anyone else. Why do you think cleary and associates have moved this pilot group farther away from a chance to vote than they were 3 years ago.

Stroke of genius by the way..................Asking the NMB to get involved. Do you think they are on board with clearys delay program? Isn't it their function to move everyone closer to a vote?


Flip

 

[Metroyet]

The logical conclusion would be Ferguson is also a Union Busting Pilot as he is a member of leonidas as well as the Cactus 18. Both out to destroy USAPA. Can't have it both ways.

Of course. It's absolutely logical to blame the victim for defending themselves. I understand your disappointment in your inability to steal the careers of innocent West pilots but I think you're stretching a bit here.

 

[Black Swan]

Awe shucks, hens are always delighted to see their chicks take their first flights. :blush:

Best posts on this forum, bar none! Phoenix, you never cease to amaze.

 

[hp_fa]

The logical conclusion would be Ferguson is also a Union Busting Pilot as he is a member of leonidas as well as the Cactus 18. Both out to destroy USAPA. Can't have it both ways.

The problem with that logic is that the "union" has been found to have committed a DFR violation. How can you be a union buster if the union that you sued was found to have committed the acts that were illegal? It could be argued that Ferguson, as well as the other members of Leonidas, have saved USAPA. From whom you ask? From itself.

 

[luvthe9]

The problem with that logic is that the "union" has been found to have committed a DFR violation. How can you be a union buster if the union that you sued was found to have committed the acts that were illegal? It could be argued that Ferguson, as well as the other members of Leonidas, have saved USAPA. From whom you ask? From itself.

Ferguson and co. have done nothing but start one lawsuit after another. It is going to take the 9th to get this thing back on the tracks. The disruption started long before the seniority dispute.

 

[luvthe9]

Of course. It's absolutely logical to blame the victim for defending themselves. I understand your disappointment in your inability to steal the careers of innocent West pilots but I think you're stretching a bit here.

Defending against what? Mailing excrement in the mail? That started the game.

 

[jetjok1]

Ferguson and co. have done nothing but start one lawsuit after another. It is going to take the 9th to get this thing back on the tracks. The disruption started long before the seniority dispute.

And if the 9th votes against us (the east pilots), exactly what will be "back on the tracks". It should be we don't go any farther with this thing and accept the results. To further appeal the 9th or go to the Supreme Court, IMHO, would be to DERAIL!!!

 

[boeingplt]

Defending against what? Mailing excrement in the mail? That started the game.

Excrement and broken glass, I have seen the boxes, yes boxes, of such examples first hand. In one case I know of personally the young daughter of a USAPA volunteer plunged her hand into one of these envelopes. I don't know about you other fathers out there but I would lose my friggin mind if someone placed my daughter in that situation. Anyone who who condones that type of action isn't much in my book.

 

[Black Swan]

The problem with that logic is that the "union" has been found to have committed a DFR violation. How can you be a union buster if the union that you sued was found to have committed the acts that were illegal? It could be argued that Ferguson, as well as the other members of Leonidas, have saved USAPA. From whom you ask? From itself.

Ferguson and Leonidas, and the junk mailers were after the legally elected union long before the seniority arb. was even heard. They were trying to union bust from day one. There was no defense, just offense.