US Pilots Labor Discussion 4/6- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[Poug Darker]

I knew the America West theft of East flying was bad when I saw the "Shining Stars" doing CLT/ATL/CLT turns all day - I never dreamed it was THIS bad.

The transition agreement specifies that the separation of flying between east and west as of the merger is defined via flight numbers. What ALPA braintrust ok'ed that language? Another example of ALPA 'value' for your dues dollars. DUH. If the flying would have defined by city pairs, the west would have 24% less flying than it does today, according to DP in the last crew news in PHX.

 

[nic4us]

The explanation is the West is a boat anchor that needs to be excised asap.

"excised"???? got news for you Mr. Freudian slip, the West has been "excised" as in taxed by the burden of saving a failed airline from its imminent demise. Perhaps the east pilots should be "excised" to repay the debt they have incurred by stealing West jobs and airplanes. The damages portion of the trial should take care of that matter. Remember, usapa is already guilty, the only question is how $$,$$$,$$$ guilty.

 

[traderjake]

For the life of me I'll never be able to understand the justification for the 517. I could see the top positions being allotted according to the number of WB capt positions, but what's up with the F/Os and relief positions being thrown in there?

The WB F/Os and IROs should have been slotted behind the Airbus/737 Captains.

The only windfall in the award was given to the East.

 

[OTTER574]

The transition agreement specifies that the separation of flying between east and west as of the merger is defined via flight numbers. What ALPA braintrust ok'ed that language? Another example of ALPA 'value' for your dues dollars. DUH. If the flying would have defined by city pairs, the west would have 24% less flying than it does today, according to DP in the last crew news in PHX.

Please explain TA growth aircraft and LOA's to that effect?

Seems some know but you don't.

 

[OTTER574]

The transition agreement specifies that the separation of flying between east and west as of the merger is defined via flight numbers. What ALPA braintrust ok'ed that language? Another example of ALPA 'value' for your dues dollars. DUH. If the flying would have defined by city pairs, the west would have 24% less flying than it does today, according to DP in the last crew news in PHX.

Please send proper sizes of mike cleary, lee seham and other usapa officers so that their uniforms can be fitted for their CONTEMPT OF COURT in a federal jail.

 

[Metroyet]

Me thinks usapa will not make it much past their coming 2nd anniversary, but if they do, the damages award will have one side begging for something different alright.

No kidding. That stupid clock on their website is just creeping towards their certain demise. I can't wait.

 

[BoeingBoy]

The transition agreement specifies that the separation of flying between east and west as of the merger is defined via flight numbers. What ALPA braintrust ok'ed that language?

You really do need to put one of those smiley things in to let everyone know when you're kidding - you are kidding aren't you??? You have to be cause if you can find one mention of flight numbers in the transition agreement I'll buy the first 5 rounds if we ever cross paths.

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

Oh, and a page or two back someone asked where the 517 number came from for how many East pilots would be at the top of the Nic list and someone else mentioned something about the East widebody F/O's and IRO's should have been slotted below the A320/737 captains.

In the award, the arbitrator explains why there are 517 East pilots at the top of the list, which indirectly explains why the widebody F/O's and IRO's are not in a block right after the Gp II captains. Here's the Cliff's notes version.

- First you have to remember that before constructing the list, all non-line pilots were pulled out - those on medical, supervisory, had died since the official lists were constructed, etc. The he took the total number of widebody jobs that East brought to the merger - three hundred and some captain, F/O, and IRO - and gave them to the top 300+ East line pilots. So the most senior East pilots were given the slots for the F/O's and IRO's. Then the rest of the list was produced, again using only line pilots. Once that was done, those pilots that were earlier removed from the list were put back into the list immediately senior to the pilot that they were immediately senior to on the individual East and West list. After that was done, the junior East line pilot in one of those 300+ widebody positions was #517 on the combined list - there were 100+ East pilots who were not line pilots senior to him.

Because the widebody F/O and IRO slots had been used up by that top 517, there were no more widebody slots to put the F/O's and IRO's in so they were merged in with the narrowbody F/O's as the rest of the list was constructed. Because of their seniority on the East list, they were merged in by ratio near the top of the F/O portion of the list, but not as a block of East only pilots like the 517.

I have no idea why the arbitrator did it that way instead of giving the top spots on the list to the number of East pilots that was equal to the number of widebody captains jobs (plus those non-line pilots added back in at the conclusion of the process), but the effect was to put more East pilots at the top of the combined list (at least about 250 more) while not having a block of East pilots right after the A320/737 captains (300+/-).

Jim

 

[cleardirect]

The transition agreement specifies that the separation of flying between east and west as of the merger is defined via flight numbers. What ALPA braintrust ok'ed that language? Another example of ALPA 'value' for your dues dollars. DUH. If the flying would have defined by city pairs, the west would have 24% less flying than it does today, according to DP in the last crew news in PHX.

In the same sentence Parker also said the US Air east would have closed the doors without the merger. I will take smaller rather than non existent any day.

So what Parker is telling you is that you are 76% bigger than you should be.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Like USWEST, would still be here! SWA can choke us in PHX any time they decide to, USeast will choose the non, like I said before for a merger to take place DP has to go through USEAST, (their little meeting today, those pay rate things , snapback?, sign off and drop the LOA 84 pay restoration grievance, ) The EAST contract has things DP needs, wake up USWEST, ! MM! Who wants a hub whoes main competition is SWA, BWI, LAS, remember PSA( no my fellow pilots are too young, good for you)PIT, ETC , ETC, PHX will go the way the rest of usairs secondary hubs have , given the NIC , our EAST brothers have no choice but to make a stand, remember weve told them how lucky they are just to have a job, hope they don't return the favor!

 

[Metroyet]

, PHX will go the way the rest of usairs secondary hubs have

Phoenix is the 5th largest city in the United States. PHL is #6. I'm not sure I'd classify PHX as a secondary hub.

 

[HP2USFA]

I must be tired... I read his post 6 times and still had a hard time understanding what he was trying to say.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Try wikopedia and 100 top per capita incomes 1 city in az ranked 93 I believe, then take a look and see the direct PHL territory, keep serving those loyal customers, credit or debit? MM!

 

[oscarjazz]

Still waiting on you to tell us the seniority difference between you and the NW guy just above and below you on the "new" Delta list.

VNIIMN
NPJB

Well the difference in seniority is 1 number.

 

[Barrister]

Well the difference in seniority is 1 number.

Sorry I confused you Oscar. Try this. What is your hire date. What is the hire date of the NW guy just below and above you on the "new" Delta list. Seems simple enough but I'll bet you won't answer!!!

VNIIMN
NPJB