Really! Interesting! Was there a big snow that shut down the airports for hundreds of miles like right before Christmas? Did the ATC computers fail and ground just our airline, starting coincidentally on Jan 1 the same day the little count down clock strike midnight or the exact same day 01-01-10 Cash or Chaos stick predicted?
I've been reading all this West stuff for over two years now. Being right in the middle of it in PHL, what happened was obvious. MX, WX, parts, crew shortage, all hitting at once. Crews out on the road up to 7 days with the company trying to call a long delay a day off. Yeah, that happened. If the company thinks this is some kind of job action, they'd already be in court trying to get a restraining order.
Just curious what do you think the arbitrator is going to think about usapa and the east pilots that stranded hundreds of PAX over the holiday because they wanted a raise and would not wit 30 days to be heard by the arbitrator. If it is so certain that you guys are going to win and receive back pay why not wait? My guess is that clock and those stickers become evidence during that hearing.
Two years of reading the same old attempts to connect random dots. Operations paid it forward after the first snow storm and never could catch up. Crews were right up against FAR and contract limits (I know, they're just about the same, aren't they?). We had a CX last week because MX couldn't come up with the parts. True to form, the company gave the PAX no heads up even though they knew an hour prior to departure. They slow-played the delay for five hours before CXing the flight. No telling how much that fiasco cost. An early decision could have gotten PAX on other LCC flights or other airlines to their destinations. But no, we packed them all off to hotels.
Evidence during what hearing? Now you're dreaming up some dot-connecting with an arbitrator. First, if the company thinks there's a job action out there, it won't be an arbitrator hearing it. It'll be a Federal Judge. Second, no arbitrator is going to go outside the case he's supposed to arbitrate.
A 300 million extra expense plus cost the company another 100 million in inconvenienced PAX accommodations. Ouch is that a bullet in your foot?
$100M in PAX accomodations? That's how much last weekend cost them? LCC doesn't hit that in a year. $300M in extra expenses? Where did that come from? Where does any of this come from? With no-stop attacks on everything USAPA does or doesn't do. Bare mention of some significant arbitration wins. I can see why the two groups will never get together.
One thing you West guys and your East ALPA-phile buddies seem to miss in the entire EVP mess is that Dave didn't finish his job. He had over a year to get the contract office staff on as employees. He failed. Whether you like Mike Cleary or not, he is our elected president. You can only have one. Throughout the entire DC drama, Mike kept his mouth shut and tried to deal with the guy. In the end, it was DC who resigned in a snit. Same DC, same drama that he played out when over at ALPA. Anyone doubting the BPR's resolve to stand firm with our elected leadership needs to read the latest CLT update.
Let me get this straight. The union is willing to meet as often as possible. But the president of USAPA tells us that we will not get a contract until the litigation is settled. The same litigation that USAPA has delayed by appealing the DFR decision. The same litigation that may be further delayed if USAPA decided to push this all the way to the Supreme (confident) Court.
No kidding. You expect a TA before the 9th appeal is ruled on? The only thing on the table is the Kirby. That's a potential 5-8% raise for those still left, after the company reduces aircraft hulls down to as low as 250. Do you really think a NIC-based contract would pass if as many as 20% of those voting would face NIC-list furloughs and 10% voting would face NIC-list downgrades?
Just what would be accomplished other than FPL for the NAC by wasting time negotiating constantly with the company if we can not move forward until the litigation is finished? Do you enjoy wasting time and money on pointless efforts?
I suggest tell your BPR to put in a resolution to have the NAC stand down until the litigation is over, if you're a member. (Bad idea, though, since the NMB is mediating as much as the company is willing to show up)
USAPA could meet with the company 20 days of the month and we would not be any closer to a contract. So complaining that that company will not meet is a red herring. They understand wasting time and money, to no end why doesn’t this union leadership? Beside Cleary tells us the economy is bad, why negotiate in a bad economy? You get nowhere.
Cleardirect, again you're throwing out another group of random dots that don't connect. The Kirby Proposal cost us as many as 1,000 jobs and downgrades, regardless of which list is in place. It runs monthly hours up to West book, phases vacation parity in over four years, costing even more jobs. Just like any ALPA property, when negotiations are at the NMB mediation level, it's full time for the negotiators. Again, if you don't like that, put in a BPR resolution. If you're not a member, surely you know at least one MIG.
NYCDriver's right, what gold? We don't even have gold paint, much less gold plate on the table.
