US Pilots Labor Discussion 12/27- OBSERVE THE RULES OF THE BOARD!

[HPDriver]

This is the most blatent" pseudo passenger " ruse I have seen yet! Typical west mantra-no hope, blame, blah blah blah.....

Do you even know how to flesh out a "pseudo passenger"?

Let me know when you figure it out.

 

[Tiger 1050]

And that is our plan b. You see west friends, you can't win this. You will never see Nicolau. You should have negotiated. You're greed got you to where we are.

Wait! I thought you said your plan b was to shut down the airline? No...wait. You said you would never vote in a contract. No...wait. You said you were gonna take us to the SCOTUS. No...wait. You said you were gonna shut down USAPA. No...wait. Ummm... So which is it now? You're gonna go back to we'll never vote in a contract? Okay. Got it. I am just trying to keep up...

 

[Black Swan]

Wow, you've resorted to using our housing market as your fall-back argument.

Weak.

Very weak.

Well, you relish bringing up certain financial tenants of our reality. I just thought I would share the reality that you also deal with since you brought up the subject. You see financial health is not measured solely by W-2. Prices one paid for real estate and their subsequent appreciation or decline certainly constitute ones' financial reality, and drive decisions going forward. If said real estate purchaser subsequently finds oneself with a seriously underperforming asset, he/she might be experiencing apprehension with regards to imminent satisfaction and realization of contractual agreements resulting in enhanced W-2.

 

[HPDriver]

Prices one paid for real estate and their subsequent appreciation or decline certainly constitute ones' financial reality, and drive decisions going forward.

And how does one know the prices another has paid for said real estate? Without that number, subsequent appreciation or decline cannot be known and thus one cannot know another's "financial reality."

So, to sum up, you're stabbing in the dark with the real estate thing. Give it up and stay on topic.

 

[Black Swan]

Wait! I thought you said your plan b was to shut down the airline? No...wait. You said you would never vote in a contract. No...wait. You said you were gonna take us to the SCOTUS. No...wait. You said you were gonna shut down USAPA. No...wait. Ummm... So which is it now? You're gonna go back to we'll never vote in a contract? Okay. Got it. I am just trying to keep up...

Keep trying Tiger! One day it will all be clear for you!

 

[Black Swan]

And how does one know the prices another has paid for said real estate? Without that number, subsequent appreciation or decline cannot be known and thus one cannot know another's "financial reality."

So, to sum up, you're stabbing in the dark with the real estate thing. Give it up and stay on topic.

The topic became paying a price for something, and you try to limit it to pure contractual elements. If you paid 500k for a home in PHX and it is now worth, say 230k, it certainly is going to be a driver in getting a raise? No? So I understand your anxiety in getting a deal, maybe not you specifically, but certainly many others. Helps one understand the frothiness of the debate for the elusive contract....................

 

[HPearlyretiree]

. Nic- an ALPA deal THAT WAS NEVER SIGNED on in a TA or contract. We dumped ALPA before it was implemented as you are well aware. There is a massively porous idea you are floating and you know it. W

Again, the East agreed to binding arbitration. Agreed to Binding arbitration.

Think about that.

Then east reneged.

Doesn't matter that the east cowardly created a joke of a union to get out of their agreements. The jury saw to that.

Your thinking is cult like, gonna suck for you when it all comes crashing down.

 

[traderjake]

It is your lottery ticket that can't be cashed with out us.

Only someone who is delusional or a USAPA supporter calls not having your job stolen by the East winning the lottery.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Again, the East agreed to binding arbitration. Agreed to Binding arbitration.

Think about that.

Then east reneged.

Doesn't matter that the east cowardly created a joke of a union to get out of their agreements. The jury saw to that.

Your thinking is cult like, gonna suck for you when it all comes crashing down.

Ever ponder what will happen if your assesment is wrong? I don't think it is wrong as I was never impressed with Lee Seham. I'm still trying a case of consequence that he has won and trust me I've looked.

Reneging on deals is nothing new in modern business, so to me that annoying little fact matters little IMO.

Frankly I can't vision of the future that doesn't suck. This whole thing to me is a giant Lose-Lose proposition all the way around. Now the amusing part to me is that El Cheapo Doug Parker and his strategy with the pilots has the potential to cause US Airways to cease to exist.

I can think of two or three nightmare scenarios which lead to C7

 

[luvthe9]

This whole thing to me is a giant Lose-Lose proposition all the way around. Now the amusing part to me is that El Cheapo Doug Parker and his strategy with the pilots has the potential to cause US Airways to cease to exist.

How true, I'm glad most of us out east are just wrapping up are careers, kids gone, house paid, the real losers are the west kids. Going to be a tough job market for you out there.

 

[traderjake]

What was done under ALPA is null and void. Nic is null and void.

Being wrong is understandable, being clueless is pathetic.

 

[traderjake]

How true, I'm glad most of us out east are just wrapping up are careers, kids gone, house paid, the real losers are the west kids. Going to be a tough job market for you out there.

So why are we on the East working past age 60 for substandard wages if we really don't need the money?

We must really love our jobs to give USAirways half of our lives at this age.

 

[AWE Dog]

So why are we on the East working past age 60 for substandard wages if we really don't need the money?

We must really love our jobs to give USAirways half of our lives at this age.

Because they can collect the PBGC money at the same time. $$$

 

[nycbusdriver]

Wow, that's weird. All the other east posts state that the a lot of the senior guys were backing the FO's 100%. :blink:

So you're saying that they're just now coming around? <_<

What's the difference. Either way, you lose.

 

[HPDriver]

What's the difference. Either way, you lose.

Only in your mind.