US Pilots Labor Discussion 12/27- OBSERVE THE RULES OF THE BOARD!

[BoeingBoy]

I think he's talking about the LOA 93 payout, deposited on the 31'st

Let's see....this was the question asked:

01-01-10...Did you guys get the CASH today or not?

1/1/2010 - what is significant about that date? What was supposed to happen on 1/1/2010? Didn't some organization have a countdown clock that reached zero on 1/1/2010? So waht money do you think was being referenced in the question?

Jetjok answered (quoting the above question in the reply:

Yes, as a matter of fact, I got my money today

Either way - LOA93 payout or snapbacks - jetjok's answer was ... shall we say ... misleading at best.

If it's raining cats and dogs outside and a friend from the other side of the country calls to ask about the weather, what do I say? "Partly cloudy" because it was just that yesterday? "Mostly sunny" because it usually is this day of the week? Is either an honest answer to the question? Or are both merely plays on words meant to mislead or nullify the question?

Jim

 

[nycbusdriver]

AWA crossed a much larger ocean with much larger equipment than US has ever operated.

Yes, and how did that magnificent effort work out for you?

Obviously you, as a company, couldn't handle it or you would still be crossing "a much larger ocean with much larger equipment than US has ever operated" now, wouldn't you?

 

[snapthis]

West pilots must live in the moral basement. I take from all the west posters they want the east pilots to do illegal job actions and then get fired. Well, customers understand who is in the right and it is not the west.
We will get our snapbacks just like the LOA states- we may have to fight for it but we have to ensure that the company holds their side of the bargain! It is our legal right.
Rookies, set back and watch how this works. Greed got you into this mess and we are going to show you how the game ends. it is unfortunate you dont know how to be good union pilots, but you have burned your last staw with the patience out east. WE ARE DONE pandering to you!
Now, this is not to say we can't have civil discourse, but what that would require is for you to at least come off your Nicolau greed and meet us half way.

You hold no moral high ground. A jury agrees, pilots employed at other airlines agree. Pilots participating in illegal job actions run the risk of getting fired. It is a fact, not an opinion.

Parker makes himself clear that there will not be any snapbacks. Review the pilot's session in the August crew news at Phoenix. I put more weight into his comments rather than your opinion. You can throw your little fits and lay on the floor screaming like a child that did not get his way. It is not going to change a thing.

The windfalls you have enjoyed the past few years will come to an end. The West is unified in defending our rights, no matter the cost or time invested. Your side tested our resolve and we met the challenge.

 

[jetjok1]

Sweet, drinks are on jetjok!!!

Nic4us,

I would be glad to buy you a drink. Anytime, anywhere!

 

[jetjok1]

As discussed in the "Northeast Weather delays" thread, there have been on-going delays/cancellations. I suppose that luvthe9 is claiming that East pilots are so powerful that they control ATC and weather...

Or more likely just claiming credit for that which East pilots have no control over. Like jetjok getting his pay today - that was true but it was the same as always since any raise wouldn't show up in paychecks till 2/15/10.

Jim

BB,

I am assuming that the question of monies the poster was referring to was the 35 mil disbursement. That is the money, in addition to the check on the first, that I received as per LOA 93. Whether it was deposited on the 31st or the 1st doesn't matter. It was supposed to be in by the 1st and it is.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Since even Parker has said that the $35 million would be paid and the normal check on the first was based on the same pay rate, that's a pretty big assumption to make considering the context - all the talk and bluster from the East side about the number of cancellations in an attempt to paint those as a response to not getting the snapbacks.

Jim

 

[HPDriver]

West pilots must live in the moral basement. I take from all the west posters they want the east pilots to do illegal job actions and then get fired. Well, customers understand who is in the right and it is not the west.
We will get our snapbacks just like the LOA states- we may have to fight for it but we have to ensure that the company holds their side of the bargain! It is our legal right.
Rookies, set back and watch how this works. Greed got you into this mess and we are going to show you how the game ends. it is unfortunate you dont know how to be good union pilots, but you have burned your last straw with the patience out east. WE ARE DONE pandering to you!
Now, this is not to say we can't have civil discourse, but what that would require is for you to at least come off your Nicolau greed and meet us half way.

So you demand that the company hold their side of the bargain?

What a about your side of the bargain?

I'll leave the rest of that drivel you call a post alone.

And the public doesn't care.

 

[Metroyet]

We will get our snapbacks just like the LOA states- we may have to fight for it but we have to ensure that the company holds their side of the bargain! It is our legal right.

Of all the crazy, disjointed, hypocritical statements you've spewed across the Internet, this one is my favorite!

"What the LOA states"

Oh, so now agreed to language is something that needs to be honored?


"Fight the company to ensure that they hold their side of the bargain"?

Fight the company how? Oh, that's right; Binding Arbitration!!! Why on Earth would any Eastie put their faith into the process of binding arbitration? I know I wouldn't if I was adamant that the results can be so easily ignored...and yet, USAPA has been promising the B.A. will be the East's Salvation on one hand, and a "meaningless" agreement on the other. How do you guys sleep at night knowing your psychophrenic, bi-polar Union is making these absurd statements on your behalf? I'm embarrassed for you since none of you seem to have that ability.


"It's our legal right!!"

This is the one that made me spit coffee on my desk. I love the situational integrity. So now, the Law is something to be honored and respected? Can hypocrisy be so Chronic that it's considered as disease? What would that disease be called? USAPitis? USAPAnoma? USAPresey? Polyps of USAPA?

 

[Barrister]

Well your post started with, "ha, thats funny", so I assumed you thought it was funny.

Yes my entitlement attitude is amazing. To think I have the nerve to believe I should keep my job, when there is an east furloughee who deserves it, please forgive my outrageous insubordination, and allow me to surrender my captain seat and future to a furloughee who has less LOS than myself, because he/she got hired at a three time loser airline, that could not keep 40% of its pilots employed.

I do not own a bird, or cage, but the new puppy just made a mess on usapa's C&BLs (they ought to be called the Constitution & BMs), as does the new federal law, and would any future merger partner, as the Nic would be used for any future seniority integration.

The TA says LCC cannot implement use of the Nic til joint contract. The TA does not say cannot use the Nic for future seniority integrations with other companies. Get it?....good.

Want god to laugh at you like the rest of us are laughing at you: Tell her your plans for the future!!

VNIIMN

 

[nic4us]

Want god to laugh at you like the rest of us are laughing at you: Tell her your plans for the future!!

God and I share laughs often, we are on a first name basis. I have already conveyed my plans for the future to the almighty. They are quite simple really.

Thy will be done. Gets everyone laughing all the time, if you keep the right perspective.

 

[nic4us]

Nic4us,

I would be glad to buy you a drink. Anytime, anywhere!

Thanks for the offer. Look forward to a time when I can take you up on that.

 

[Flippin43]

West pilots must live in the moral basement. I take from all the west posters they want the east pilots to do illegal job actions and then get fired. Well, customers understand who is in the right and it is not the west.
We will get our snapbacks just like the LOA states- we may have to fight for it but we have to ensure that the company holds their side of the bargain! It is our legal right.
Rookies, set back and watch how this works. Greed got you into this mess and we are going to show you how the game ends. it is unfortunate you dont know how to be good union pilots, but you have burned your last straw with the patience out east. WE ARE DONE pandering to you!
Now, this is not to say we can't have civil discourse, but what that would require is for you to at least come off your Nicolau greed and meet us half way.

JJ,

Evidently you are correct, 9 jury members understood exactly who is in the right. So I would't go to the court of public opinion for relief. Besides we all know who this "all knowing" passenger poster really was don't we.

As you are now interested in keeping "bargins". Certainly you then agree that we also feel compelled to assert our "legal right" to ensure that you, creator of usapa, keep yours as well. As I'm sure you feel that "Greed" does not motivate your actions concerning your "snap back", clearly you can see that it is not "Greed" at all that motivates the West pilot to insist that East pilots keep theirs. It was a bargin, and you made it. Pay up, right.

I am curious, pandering is "done" but you want a "civil discourse". JJ tell me who that "civil discourse" would be with. You helped create a new union that removed the very legal body (west Mec) that could have entertained any such "discourse". So who could you "discourse" with now? Help us "Rookies" out and tell us.


Flip

 

[Black Swan]

So you demand that the company hold their side of the bargain?

What a about your side of the bargain?

I'll leave the rest of that drivel you call a post alone.

And the public doesn't care.

ALPA is gone. USAPA is the bargaining agent. Seniority is a negotiated agreement. What was done under ALPA is null and void. Nic is null and void. You need a joint contract to get Nic. You don't have one. Therefore, no Nic. It is really that simple. Just as you all allude to the past of U pilots, Nic is the past also. Does this put it in perspective? I agree with you the old days are gone. ALPA gone, the Nic lives in an ALPA contract. Gone..............

 

[HPDriver]

ALPA is gone. USAPA is the bargaining agent. Seniority is a negotiated agreement. What was done under ALPA is null and void. Nic is null and void. You need a joint contract to get Nic. You don't have one. Therefore, no Nic. It is really that simple. Just as you all allude to the past of U pilots, Nic is the past also. Does this put it in perspective? I agree with you the old days are gone. ALPA gone, the Nic lives in an ALPA contract. Gone..............

I can understand why you need to oversimplify things.

Understand that, just as our CBA's, your $70M payout, etc. continue to live, so does the Nic. No matter how much you'd like to wish otherwise, it will always be here.

The Nic lives on Parker's desk, waiting to be put to good use.

See you in CLT.

 

[hp_fa]

Of all the crazy, disjointed, hypocritical statements you've spewed across the Internet, this one is my favorite!

"What the LOA states"

Oh, so now agreed to language is something that needs to be honored?


"Fight the company to ensure that they hold their side of the bargain"?

Fight the company how? Oh, that's right; Binding Arbitration!!! Why on Earth would any Eastie put their faith into the process of binding arbitration? I know I wouldn't if I was adamant that the results can be so easily ignored...and yet, USAPA has been promising the B.A. will be the East's Salvation on one hand, and a "meaningless" agreement on the other. How do you guys sleep at night knowing your psychophrenic, bi-polar Union is making these absurd statements on your behalf? I'm embarrassed for you since none of you seem to have that ability.


"It's our legal right!!"

This is the one that made me spit coffee on my desk. I love the situational integrity. So now, the Law is something to be honored and respected? Can hypocrisy be so Chronic that it's considered as disease? What would that disease be called? USAPitis? USAPAnoma? USAPresey? Polyps of USAPA?

It is, unfortunately, true that it makes for a strange position when one chooses which of their agreements they want enforced and which they refuse to abide by. I spoke to this issue a long time ago.