US Pilots Labor Discussion 12/27- OBSERVE THE RULES OF THE BOARD!

[HPearlyretiree]

"End of Black Swan"

US Air has been running scared for decades. SWA backhanded your airline straight out of BWI. The US Air business plan has always been Cave, Concede, Shrink, Cut and Run. The List of failures is too long to list. No need to. You've lived them...and will continue to.

2010 is going to be a very emotionally draining year for the End of Black Swan. BTW. The Clock ran out...did you get your raise yet?

Where is that snapback anyway?

 

[Black Swan]

"End of Black Swan"

US Air has been running scared for decades. SWA backhanded your airline straight out of BWI. The US Air business plan has always been Cave, Concede, Shrink, Cut and Run. The List of failures is too long to list. No need to. You've lived them...and will continue to.

2010 is going to be a very emotionally draining year for the End of Black Swan. BTW. The Clock ran out...did you get your raise yet?

Since it has been cut and run, and LAS was also in the cut and run, you better hope Sub Prime Air, PHX Division isn't next..... Hey, check out all the Airbus cancellations in CLT. There was no cut today, and there was a LOT of no RUN......

 

[Black Swan]

Where is that snapback anyway?

H-P, you got SERVED massively by a customer who knows the truth! Totally wrecked. I am surprised you surfaced so quickly after that spanking!!!! Happy New year, a New Year of TRUTH!

 

[HPDriver]

Flip that customer WRECKED your thread!

Ummm, ya, "customer."

Pretty sad when you east guys have to resort to posting as "customers."

 

[RSVP767]

He just did !!!

75% huh your right we won't find it because you are wrong again.

Flippin

Flippin,

I'm sorry, your right. It's only 73.6% of the list that incur a dispairity of 5 yrs. OR MORE. See the NIC as constructed.

Total pilots on the NIC list = 6520
5 yr disparity starts at Sen #1729 (73.6% with 5yrs dispairity or more)
10 yr dispairity starts at Sen #2091 (67.9% with 10 yrs dispairity OR MORE)
12 yr dispairity starts at Sen #2473 (62.1% with 12 yrs dispairity OR MORE)
15 yr dispairity starts at Sen #3951 (39.4% with 15 yrs dispairity OR MORE)

My opinion.....Had NIC kept the max dispairity to less than 10 years we would still be ALPA (unfortunately), have a joint contract, and all be making more money by now. As much as I am a proponent of DOH, I agree it would not work in our (US/AWA) situation without meaningful conditions and restrictions. On the other hand, I don't believe straight Relative Position works either. Especially without ANY conditions and restrictions. Hense, our current situation. NIC should have struck a balance that all could live with (no windfall). Our situation was a very unique and difficult nut to crack. Bottom line, NIC Failed. He failed you, me, the company and ALPA.

 

[HPDriver]

Looks like USAPA is now into letting the east know how long they've been without their "snapbacks."

 

[ggiby]

Oh boy, a burned out 747 classic over the pacific. How long did that last? U at least has a massive transatlantic out of PHL. It works! HP was never a major. Never. Compare the lifetime earnings of an 82 HP employee across all job descriptions,to a U employee and to this day they still couldn't compare on benefits and W-2.. You just got lucky after 9-11. You could take a snapshot of any airline AFTER 9-11 and portray it as you do with U in a few years. Given time, we would have been right back. Your airline, on the other hand was flying to Vegas and Sub Prime PHX. It would have been toast had you not hooked up with us and our system. Thanks for reminding us of that ridiculous 747 debacle you operated. I almost forgot....

If my memory serves me, we flew 67's across to europe from BWI back when ???
1984????

Did AWA exist yet??? only for a year I think.......

And btw.... an ocean is a ocean..... Does matter which one???
Is one larger than another?

 

[Black Swan]

Looks like USAPA is now into letting the east know how long they've been with their "snapbacks."

These West posts are all over the PHL crew room boards. You guys are REALLY making your case for a NO vote. Keep em coming. I have seen a lot of senior guys come around to a VNIIIN position.

 

[fatherabraham]

"speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far.''

" If not 10......when? "

 

[HPDriver]

I have seen a lot of senior guys come around to a VNIIIN position.

Wow, that's weird. All the other east posts state that the a lot of the senior guys were backing the FO's 100%. :blink:

So you're saying that they're just now coming around? <_<

Listen, I'll give you a few minutes to gather your thoughts, look over your notes, and put a more credible post together and we'll go from there.

 

[Black Swan]

Flippin,

I'm sorry, your right. It's only 73.6% of the list that incur a dispairity of 5 yrs. OR MORE. See the NIC as constructed.

Total pilots on the NIC list = 6520
5 yr disparity starts at Sen #1729 (73.6% with 5yrs dispairity or more)
10 yr dispairity starts at Sen #2091 (67.9% with 10 yrs dispairity OR MORE)
12 yr dispairity starts at Sen #2473 (62.1% with 12 yrs dispairity OR MORE)
15 yr dispairity starts at Sen #3951 (39.4% with 15 yrs dispairity OR MORE)

My opinion.....Had NIC kept the max dispairity to less than 10 years we would still be ALPA (unfortunately), have a joint contract, and all be making more money by now. As much as I am a proponent of DOH, I agree it would not work in our (US/AWA) situation without meaningful conditions and restrictions. On the other hand, I don't believe straight Relative Position works either. Especially without ANY conditions and restrictions. Hense, our current situation. NIC should have struck a balance that all could live with (no windfall). Our situation was a very unique and difficult nut to crack. Bottom line, NIC Failed. He failed you, me, the company and ALPA.

Get ready, Flip Luvn H-P are trying to spin this one, ending with the usual No Hope mantra...........

 

[Scorched*Earth]

Words that I have never heard said,( I want to be a America West Pilot ).

 

[luvthe9]

Words that I have never heard said,( I want to be a America West Pilot ).

Now that's the truth.

 

[luvn737s]

And btw.... an ocean is a ocean..... Does matter which one???
Is one larger than another?

A little fact for ya: The Pacific Ocean contains more water than all the other oceans of the world combined.
ref: Nat'l Geographic

 

[Black Swan]

A little fact for ya: The Pacific Ocean contains more water than all the other oceans of the world combined.
ref: Nat'l Geographic

All the more reason not to fly over it in a used up 74.........