US Pilots Labor Discussion 1/6- OBSERVE THE RULES OF THE BOARD!

[exB717Flyer]

Finally a business columnist who gets it. (Ted Reed could learn a thing or two.) His only inaccuracy is missing that the LAS picketing was a bipartisan effort.

http://industry.bnet.com/travel/10004571/u...rse-by-the-day/

 

[snapthis]

Boo Hoo...

And many of those grade school children were Captains at the time of the merger when many of your former coworkers where furloughed and on the street.

Thats the actual reality.

Some people have a problem dealing with reality. I see another reality check in the near future.

I'll be ready for some more whine when that happens.

Cheers!

 

[HPDriver]

Hpdriver, has bragged how she is going to move to CLT and even asked me where to live! On the Hotel van we had the misfortune of being with a West crew. The angry F/O made it a point to say several times how he cannot wait to move to CLT. So, I guess I met the only two who want to come East. Try again Westie.

Looks like Hawkhunter is afraid I'll be moving into her neighborhood.

She needs to relax.

 

[HPDriver]

Ah!..The perverse delights attendant to arcane subltleties...or vain attempts at such anyway.

Speaking of fantasy; spin this: The nic would place people, who were literally grade school children when many of your former coworkers began their professional flying careers, as "senior" to the latter. That's the actual reality.

Utterly irrelevant.

 

[snapthis]

Looks like Hawkhunter is afraid I'll be moving into her neighborhood.

She needs to relax.

Why would anybody want to live in her neighborhood anyway? It's cold and dreary. Sunny and warm where I live!

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Ah!..The perverse delights attendant to arcane subltleties...or vain attempts at such anyway.

Speaking of fantasy; spin this: The nic would place people, who were literally grade school children when many of your former coworkers began their professional flying careers, as "senior" to the latter. That's the actual reality.

Nicalau is older than you, and was doing his job when you were in grade school, so by your standards he is much wiser, and should be listened to.

Oh, wait...just more East hypocrisy....

 

[USA320Pilot]

The Business Travel News article titled US Airways Pilots Infighting Grows Worse by the Day is 100% percent accurate and clearly illustrates the dysfunction of the USAPA's Union leaders. Many of these same Union leaders ran the former East ALPA MEC and they were called the RC4/5. These people are largely responsibile for the problems of not only the East pilots over the years, but the West pilots too.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[aquagreen73s]

And that's why those choosing Objector/Challenger status hurt the entire group. There's enough Airways pilots out there who reject the RC 4/5, Cleary gang or whatever tag you want to put on them, but we all need to be dues paying members. USAPA will get just about all the money that they'd get if you're a MIG. It makes no sense playing the objector challenger game as you send Cleary and gang almost the exact same amount, and for what? Join, vote, and recall.

 

[Hawkhunter]

Looks like Hawkhunter is afraid I'll be moving into her neighborhood.

She needs to relax.

It would be HIS neighborhood. Come on down, I hope you like the commute back to PHX.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Aqua,

What the West pilots do not understand is that it would be very difficult, if not impossible, to recall Cleary and the Hardliners. That has been tried by the East pilots over-and-over before and the elections were tampered with or the rules were changed by the RC4/5.

Just look at what happened at last week's BPR meeting. The USAPA C&BL's require an election to be held if an Officer resigns and there is more than 12 months left in his or her term. What happenend? Cleary called a BPR meeting and forced a resolution to be passed that will eliminate the EVP position. Why? Tp prevent somebody from being elected to the EVP position that is not in Cleary/Mowrey's "inner circle" so Cleary can control the union and prevent West participation.

I seriously doubt the West MIG position that an internal movement can gain control of USAPA will work. And, I believe one of three things need to happen to gain control of USAPA. They are:

1. A merger with a larger airline who has a larger pilot group that would elect their union as the newly combined pilot group's next election in a NMB sponsored representational election;

2. Or USAPA files for bankruptcy with an adverse damages award and where the Plaintiff's attorney fees are ordered to be paid by the Defendant in the Addington trial,

3. Or an internal movement to elect a new union because eveyr pilot can vote, the NMB would control the process, and the election would be legitimate.

Meanwhile, the Objector/Challenger Arbitration will be held next month, and if dues can be lowered, this will help the pilots from continuing to lose spending power due to USAPA's actions.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[Freighterguynow]

It is time to start thinking about the facts not the fear.

Make an effort and ask a west crew the next time you see them. How many want to move or commute to the east coast. you are going to find very few.

Why then, fences should be no problem right?

 

[luvn737s]

USA320-

Do you think that if USAPA had initially crafted C&BL's that were less susceptible to corruption, that it would have still beat ALPA, or did the pilots vote for USAPA out of raw emotion, ignoring what they were actually signing up for?

For a group that craves do-overs, they should love the chance to vote again.

 

[goneflyin]

I was responding to DAL guy who said DOH doesn't matter only what you fly matters.

But he is a guy with NO SKIN IN THE GAME.

VNIIMN
NPJB

If I was here to bolster the east argument in favor of evading binding arbitration, I bet I'd be welcome on this board, "skin in the game", or not.

Better to attack anyone who doesn't share your viewpoint--

 

[HPDriver]

Why then, fences should be no problem right?

They weren't...

...when we were negotiating. But that time has come and gone.

 

[HPDriver]

Aqua,

What the West pilots do not understand is that it would be very difficult, if not impossible, to recall Cleary and the Hardliners.

Not when you have Ciabattoni and Rowe on the job!!!