US Pilot Labor Thread for the week 6/6 to 6/13

[EastUS]

In any event, the call sign issue seems to be least of the company's problems.

Fully agreed.

 

[Flyz4food]

The name change (and blue paint scheme) had nothing to do with "some BK"; it occurred at a point in the Wolf era when things were going rather well actually. The ICAO call sign was not changed along with the name. Don't know if the company ever requested it; ICAO likes to keep callsigns as simple as possible, so I doubt such a request would have been granted.

In any event, the call sign issue seems to be least of the company's problems.

I think the faded paint scheme and the name change went with another era as well. Not the one you are thinking of though. The name change issue I mentioned was in line with what was being mentioned on the thread where the callsign needed to match the corp. name. Call it whatever, but do take this into consideration. One was promised, and now reneged after tantrums, another was mentioned, "Flag" ,now who the hell wants that. One thing is clear, whatever it's called it may not be around long enough to make a difference.

 

[nycbusdriver]

My favorite callsign? Cactus, of course. And it so happens, that this callsign IS very well respected where-ever it goes.

What? Who even knows that your callsign is "cactus" other than air traffic controllers, pilots and others like us who spend too much time on USAviation.com?

Respected wherever it goes? Where does it go outside of the aviation VHF and HF band which virtually no one listens to?

Just keep trying to pump up your feeble egos. You've lost every time you've tried it so far.

Cactus: Call of the Loser

 

[Flyz4food]

What? Who even knows that your callsign is "cactus" other than air traffic controllers, pilots and others like us who spend too much time on USAviation.com?

Respected wherever it goes? Where does it go outside of the aviation VHF and HF band which virtually no one listens to?

Just keep trying to pump up your feeble egos. You've lost every time you've tried it so far.

Cactus: Call of the Loser

And so early in the morning. Cranky.

 

[EastUS]

One thing is clear, whatever it's called it may not be around long enough to make a difference.

Sadly true..and I'd again suggest that all look towards gaining and/or enhancing other income streams in the meanwhile. This "industry" is about as stable as seeking stardom in Hollywood and/or politics. Lif'es far too short not to be enjoyed, and being "held hostage" by "executive" ...ummm..."people"..that couldn't actually run even a Lionel train setup around a Christmas tree..without derailing it, in a frenzy, by diving in and trying to steal all the presents from everyone else...Well..it just isn't a fine recipe for good living...period.

For what half-of-a-cent it's worth? = I've no notions that most out west aren't essentially decent people, just caught up in the sorry circumstances of the day, and I honestly wish no ill on "you guys/gals". Recent events have proven some out there to have no more actual intelligence, maturity, or self control, than do dyspeptic zoo monkeys flinging feces..but...no group's fully free of it's ummm.."interesting cases". Whatever the future holds? = Good luck to all of us concerned here.

 

[RowUnderDCA]

I no longer have a dog in this fight but from what I'm hearing USAPA is starting down a slipppery slope with the DOH list they are working on. My sources tell me they are quietly looking at re-doing the whole seniority list with DOH for the former Empire and Trump Shuttle(Eastern DOH)pilots. Some have even suggested that all pilots from other airlines that got hired by USAir get their original airline DOH if their previous airline had gone out of business.

IMO, if they keep going forward with this there will be major dissension within the ranks at USAPA.

hmmmmmmm interesting chess move.

Wouldn't such a re-ordering benefit some AWA pilots? I wonder if it's even possible. If not, is this deliberate leaking of a possibility for political purposes?

 

[oldcrow]

It was told to me that it would be "hypocritical" for the "new" seniority list not to have DOH from beginning to end. Any Trump or Empire pilots on the West side ?

 

[AAA73Pilot]

FYI:

Fellow pilot,

Pilots are reminded that the deadline for transferring to USAPA-sponsored insurance is this Friday, June 13th; paperwork must be received by that date to ensure guaranteed acceptance into replacement products. Go to the USAirlinePilots.org web site and click on the "Insurance Transfer and Purchase" link in the Members Only section to start the process.

The full Negotiating Team, which includes the Negotiating Advisory Committee (NAC), NAC consultant Doug Mowery and Professional Negotiator Scott Petersen, continued their work this past week in preparation for upcoming contract negotiations with management. They met internally Tuesday through Friday in Charlotte, and work continues this weekend in preparation for a briefing to the BPR that is scheduled for this coming Tuesday, June 10, during the BPR meeting in Charlotte. As they mentioned in a NAC Update, the Committee realizes that your support will be imperative and that your involvement in the process will be directly proportional to the quality of the resulting contract. The Committee asks that you stay informed.

As a reminder, a regular meeting of the US Airline Pilots Association has been scheduled for June 10th, starting at 1000. Subsequent orders of the day will be 0900-1700 for days two and three (if needed). The location of the meeting will be the Ramada Airport South and Conference Center, 212 West Woodlawn Road, Charlotte, NC 28217. For complimentary transportation call: 704-525-8350. Pilots are advised that portions of this meeting may occur in Executive Session at the discretion of the Board. All USAPA members in good standing are invited to attend.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

It was told to me that it would be "hypocritical" for the "new" seniority list not to have DOH from beginning to end. Any Trump or Empire pilots on the West side ?

You were told wrong.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

hmmmmmmm interesting chess move.

Wouldn't such a re-ordering benefit some AWA pilots? I wonder if it's even possible. If not, is this deliberate leaking of a possibility for political purposes?

Leaking, by who? It's not even a chess move. 'Cause it's total BS. Simple as that.

 

[N924PS]

It was told to me that it would be "hypocritical" for the "new" seniority list not to have DOH from beginning to end. Any Trump or Empire pilots on the West side ?

While nothing would surprise me in light of what has transpired in the past year, I can only imagine more turmoil than already exists if this latest rumor is true.

How does one prove or certify the data to supprt such a list? USAPA will have enough on their hands using the certified pre-merger ALPA lists as their starting point.

 

[EastUS]

Leaking, by who? It's not even a chess move. 'Cause it's total BS. Simple as that.

No problem = At least it's somewhat more subtle BS..... than "letters" literally stuffed with the same. I'd call this progress after a fashion

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Well, I heard that they're gonna number the list based on the age of each person's airport car. Extra credit for Bondo and duct tape, but they haven't decided on just how much.

Why does ANYONE believe ANYTHING in these threads? I'd wait and see just what they come up with before I got all worked up over it. Remember, it STILL has to go to membership ratification!

 

[ableoneable]

I am very curious as to what USAPA's negotiating plan is.

Currently the best thing we have going for us is the minimum fleet count mandated by the transition agreement.

If USAPA tries to disavow the T.A. the minimum fleet count goes away.

Near the top of the company's wish list will be a requirement for a reduction or an elimination of the minimum fleet count.

USAPA's timing is impeccable as always. The fact that they hope to realize gains in workrules and pay in this envoronment belies thier poor planning and execution.

Eighteen to twenty-four months ago gains were probably achievable. With oil in the $120 to $130/bbl range and a crackspread of about $30 to $40/bbl. gains, without deep concessions elsewhere, are no longer possible.

The company is very likely to open with a concessionary proposal couched as an exchange for furloughing less rather than more.

USAPA would be well advised to steer clear of the negotiating table at this point in time. For that reason alone I expect that they are in a hurry to get to the table. The results should be interesting to say the least.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

I am very curious as to what USAPA's negotiating plan is.

Currently the best thing we have going for us is the minimum fleet count mandated by the transition agreement.

If USAPA tries to disavow the T.A. the minimum fleet count goes away...

...USAPA would be well advised to steer clear of the negotiating table at this point in time. For that reason alone I expect that they are in a hurry to get to the table. The results should be interesting to say the least.

No, only the West's minimum fleet count would go away. It's in the East's CBA which is still inforce and not amendable, except by TA, until 2009.

OOPS. There's no one there to defend it, by their own choice! That sucks!