US Pilot Labor Thread for the week 6/6 to 6/13

[YVINTERN]

some that come to mind off hand:
PA - Clipper
CP - Empress

BA - Speedbird
CI - Dynasty
SA - Springbok

Check Wikipedia's list of call signs - there are a number that are different than the name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airline_call_signs

A new call sign - other than "US air" or "Cactus" is not a bad idea. A while back there was thread on this topic (that included a number of humorous ideas.)

Does Cuckolded count?

 

[sharktooth]

What you fail to mention is the fact that profit sharing was in the Transition Agreement. One of the other agreements you AGREED to. Do you want to reneg on that as well. Of course you do. Your mention of time to dig in your heels and stick it to the other guys is telling.

"Get what we can", priceless.

and, of course, the two profit sharing checks, one from the TA and one from before HP came on board. The issue was the former union giving away that part that rightly so, belonged to the east, without any input or vote. Another reason the former union is not on the property.

 

[sharktooth]

some that come to mind off hand:
PA - Clipper
CP - Empress

BA - Speedbird
CI - Dynasty
SA - Springbok

Check Wikipedia's list of call signs - there are a number that are different than the name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airline_call_signs

A new call sign - other than "US air" or "Cactus" is not a bad idea. A while back there was thread on this topic (that included a number of humorous ideas.)

Thanks. I stand corrected.

Out of how many call signs, how many do not match the carriers name. Have not heard Dynasty yet. and of course, I have heard Springbok. Empress? Canadian Northern, North?

Still. Cactus? Evoking power? Not to mention what it is slang for in some parts of the world.

 

[sharktooth]

Are we to take your word over Standard and Poor's? Care to retract or alter your statement?

Some of us actually have to do things off the computer. See my reply elsewhere. Be ready to dig.

Much of the "down payment" came from US investors, not AWA people. See for yourself.

 

[sharktooth]

Prechillill:"The east pilots are so wrapped up in their emotions they can't see what is happening around them. These recent events highlight this perfectly." Yes...that much is clear.

Pre's posts are pretty open-ended and ambiguous. Literally, I find myself agreeing with him, though not in the context he means.

 

[767jetz]

And, just where does it say that America West would have made it without the merger?

It Doesn't. But it sure doesn't say that AW was saved by US, as sharktooth keeps opining.

In fact it does seem like his posts are a result of burning up the keyboard lately, which in itself indicates a lot. :huh:

 

[luvn737s]

Germain expenses are those directly related to contract negotiation, representation and grievance processing. How frivolous lawsuits are considered germain, I can't see.

 

[nostradamus]

Germain expenses are those directly related to contract negotiation, representation and grievance processing. How frivolous lawsuits are considered germain, I can't see.

I think the lawsuit of USAPA vs awappa would be considered germane and not frivolous.

 

[nycbusdriver]

We've already seen how the west returns our goodwill gestures.

Look how much love we've gotten by sharing our profit sharing money with you folks.

Thanks, but now it's time to dig in our heels and get what we can.

The love-fest is long over.

What you fail to mention is the fact that profit sharing was in the Transition Agreement. One of the other agreements you AGREED to. Do you want to reneg on that as well. Of course you do. Your mention of time to dig in your heels and stick it to the other guys is telling.

"Get what we can", priceless.

The east MEC chair at the time, Pollock, had to break a rare MEC tie vote to agree to that part of the TA. Offering it as a goodwill gesture was his idea and his alone. See where he is now....flying the line in one of your E190s.

His goodwill gesture has become a recurring taunt by you third-grader-minded westies. It's lucky for him that most of his f/o's are new hires and don't know his history. The rank-and-file out there knew from the get-go it was a huge mistake and that it would come back to bite us. And the westies have not disappointed in that respect.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

1. Anyone can file a lawsuit in America and anyone can find a desperate law firm to pump up their client's emotions and hope enough to fork over some $$$. Getting a judgement is an entirely different matter.

2. The east pilots are so wrapped up in their emotions they can't see what is happening around them. These recent events highlight this perfectly.

1. Seems to me I said the same thing about your upcoming lawsuit also. I have been told by you and others that yours is a "Slam dunk". But ours are frivolous. I love these differences in opinions. And you call us emotional?

2. Like I said, you call us emotional? Honey we're not the ones sending crap through the mail. But emotional people do. HHmmm.

 

[NiceLandingCaptain]

Thanks. I stand corrected.

Out of how many call signs, how many do not match the carriers name. Have not heard Dynasty yet. and of course, I have heard Springbok. Empress? Canadian Northern, North?

Still. Cactus? Evoking power? Not to mention what it is slang for in some parts of the world.

My favorite callsign? Cactus, of course. And it so happens, that this callsign IS very well respected where-ever it goes.

But running a very close second is Shamrock, the callsign of Aer Lingus. Aye, those young lassies are enough to bring a tear to me eyes, and a bit of joy to me heart.

So, sharkie, do tell the web world of the places and meanings of the slang to which you refer.......should be interesting. Remember:


INTEGRITY MATTERS

NLC

 

[Flyz4food]

Thanks. I stand corrected.

Out of how many call signs, how many do not match the carriers name. Have not heard Dynasty yet. and of course, I have heard Springbok. Empress? Canadian Northern, North?

Still. Cactus? Evoking power? Not to mention what it is slang for in some parts of the world.

It we are to be so so correct in calling the corrrect callsign with the airline , why is it that you keep calling yourselves USAirs xxx. Didn't you change your corporate name from USAir to USAirways during some bankruptcy? I would expect then you would have changed the callsign to match.

 

[Flyz4food]

What you fail to mention is the fact that profit sharing was in the Transition Agreement. One of the other agreements you AGREED to. Do you want to reneg on that as well. Of course you do. Your mention of time to dig in your heels and stick it to the other guys is telling.

"Get what we can", priceless.


The east MEC chair at the time, Pollock, had to break a rare MEC tie vote to agree to that part of the TA. Offering it as a goodwill gesture was his idea and his alone. See where he is now....flying the line in one of your E190s.

His goodwill gesture has become a recurring taunt by you third-grader-minded westies. It's lucky for him that most of his f/o's are new hires and don't know his history. The rank-and-file out there knew from the get-go it was a huge mistake and that it would come back to bite us. And the westies have not disappointed in that respect.

How quickly you guys eat your own. Telling.

 

[EastUS]

My favorite callsign? Cactus, of course.

No accounting for taste, I suppose. I've long thought that Pan Am's "Clipper" was a completely cool tag, fully evocative of the era of their amazing flying "boat" oceanic endeavors.

"And it so happens, that this callsign IS very well respected where-ever it goes." Umm...err...OK...if you say so. It doesn't seem to have that quality even within this very airline....but...no matter. I well recall a few days in Perth, when I met some people that instantly had memory reference to the silly "catch our smile" PSA logo. Perhaps they'd have also cheered about Cactus...especially when some of yours went down under there via Ansett/etc..as..ahem.."goodwill ambassadors" Seriously?..I'm thinking that even name recognition might provide a wee bit of a challenge for Cactus...outside of a rather small operational pond anyway. I have some difficulty imagining it ever being even heard of in Madrid. Amsterdam, London, Munich....etc. I can just imagine the euro-marketing campaign involved = "Climb aboard and sit on a Cactus!"..."Make yourselves comforatable..and be carefull so you don't get pricked!" That alone, should bring them in droves...given their certain respect for the tag.

Reaching even a few weeks back...I'd have been fine with any callsign, no matter how absurd sounding, it was...if it even slightly enhanced group harmony. Now?.after all the recent 'cute" west antics? = Not so much.

I also like Shamrock myself.

 

[Dont call me Shirley]

Didn't you change your corporate name from USAir to USAirways during some bankruptcy? I would expect then you would have changed the callsign to match.

The name change (and blue paint scheme) had nothing to do with "some BK"; it occurred at a point in the Wolf era when things were going rather well actually. The ICAO call sign was not changed along with the name. Don't know if the company ever requested it; ICAO likes to keep callsigns as simple as possible, so I doubt such a request would have been granted.

In any event, the call sign issue seems to be least of the company's problems.