US Pilot Labor Thread 10/27-11/2

[des nudo]

Merger: a combining of two or more companies, corporations, etc. into one.

Putting two (or more) companies together to create one bigger company is completely separate from the transaction that creates the conditions necessary to merge the companies. One company can buy another, outside investor(s) can buy both companies, etc.

As for the other questions, you seem to have decided what the answers are so I'll leave you to the answers you prefer.

Jim

Thanks, governor, I've read how you like to parlay your retired opinions about the board.

I don't require your responses, I rather speak to "active" pilots.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I don't require your responses, I rather speak to "active" pilots.

Yet you'll get them when I have the urge...

Jim

 

[cleardirect]

Well, I may be new to this forum, but I'm not new to flying...or Union business.

Two sets of employees covered by the very same union have no business "negotiating" how it will go....the union MUST have a clear and unwavering set of guidelines to follow in a merger, or else the most eloquent (expensive) lawyer wins.

That is not "policy"...it's "politics"

And for any ALPA/ALPA merger to place a 4 year pilot above a 20 year pilot is inexcusable...furloughed or not. A union list is a union list, otherwise, the company can "dictate" a list by layoffs whenever they want.


What, are you "young" in the union-world?

New screen name, same old east insults.

Who went to the cornfield this week?

 

[cleardirect]

Specific answer to your question sir.

click here.

Oh look at the pretty colors again. Same old discredited report. The second time in two weeks.

 

[des nudo]

Yet you'll get them when I have the urge...

Jim

ohh...intimidating. "Jim" maybe a an outdoor hobby? a fling? a boat? a hike?

Alas, you may "respond at will, your highness..."

Falling on deaf ears, it serves no purpose.

 

[nostradamus]

Oh look at the pretty colors again. Same old discredited report. The second time in two weeks.

You asked what windfall the west received. I provided data, you provided your opinion. Like anatomical parts, everyone has an opinion.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Falling on deaf ears, it serves no purpose.

Seems to be common is some quarters. The old "My mind's made up - don't confuse me with facts" thing...

 

[des nudo]

New screen name, same old east insults.

Who went to the cornfield this week?

Huh?

Are you calling me an east pilot? I don't even work for a US-based carrier.

 

[des nudo]

Seems to be common is some quarters. The old "My mind's made up - don't confuse me with facts" thing...

"...he gazed into the mirror, and found therefore, his audience..."

You can talk all you want, you may categorically insult me as you desire, but it is you who is alone at the keyboard in the twilight of your life....enjoy.

Your pompous attitude is detestible.

I'll speak no more of you...back to the issues at hand...superfluous lawsuits, and all.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

"...he gazed into the mirror, and found therefore, his audience..."

You can talk all you want, you may categorically insult me as you desire, but it is you who is alone at the keyboard in the twilight of your life....enjoy.

Your pompous attitude is detestible.

I'll speak no more of you...back to the issues at hand...superfluous lawsuits, and all.

So why are you in this fight?

 

[des nudo]

Because, as far away as NZ, this issue has raised concerns over what it means to be in a union. This issue is being watched by farther reaches than you may realize...

And the obvious war that has resulted is causing some rather heated discussions within IALPA carriers' since we share similar concerns.

 

[des nudo]

I'm trying to get caught up here...maybe somebody can help me.

Have all of the AWA pilots joined the 'new" union at USAir? If not, why not? (serious question)

What many of us don't understand is how you might expect all the leagal goodies of a union when you don't join, as we've all heard out in the rest of the world. Sorry for my english and typing....not so good.

 

[traderjake]

And for any ALPA/ALPA merger to place a 4 year pilot above a 20 year pilot is inexcusable...furloughed or not. A union list is a union list, otherwise, the company can "dictate" a list by layoffs whenever they want.

What's inexcusable is to confuse longevity with seniority.

What's inexcusable is to make a reserve East First Officer senior to a West blockholding Captain.

What's inexcusable is to furlough the majority of the West before the first East pilot.

There are laws in this country to prevent the majority from stealing jobs from the minority in a union.

 

[des nudo]

And what exact language does your union (ALPA) have governing any specific merger that may be announced?

Who has the most $?

This is what troubles us out in the rest of the flying world. Our "unions" don't have any rules at all regarding any mergers...and yet, as we move into a global society, we have to accept thta mergers may bring results that have no basis in a union shop?


Is that the precidence you want?

No thanks.

We can get rid of I-ALPA too...if thats the case.

 

[des nudo]

What's inexcusable is to confuse longevity with seniority.

What's inexcusable is to make a reserve East First Officer senior to a West blockholding Captain.

What's inexcusable is to furlough the majority of the West before the first East pilot.

There are laws in this country to prevent the majority from stealing jobs from the minority in a union.

When a person was hired at a union is the most important proviso where i come from. If there was no unions at the two companies...than i would understand you. As two unions shops...the union RULES on mergers determines seniority.


Why is it different at USAir and ALPA in the US?