US Airways Pilots' Labor Thread 5/19-5/26 READ THE FIRST POST

[Barberpole]

Alaska just passed their TA. I don't know about captains but FO's got retro checks of approximately 13.5k. The new payrates are posted below. Don't you guys think it's time to get a contract???!!! This jihad against the west is just costing us all a LOT of money.

Alaska operates primarily in leisure markets with fierce competition from SWA, Virgin, etc. There is no reason we can't tope these rates.

New TA pay rates B737
CAPT / FO
0 to 1 $145.87 $45.54
1 to 2 $146.87 $71.75
2 to 3 $148.32 $84.92
3 to 4 $149.78 $93.26
4 to 5 $151.19 $99.67
5 to 6 $152.71 $102.26
6 to 7 $154.55 $104.10
7 to 8 $157.84 $105.97
8 to 9 $161.28 $108.29
9 to 10 $165.92 $111.60
10 to 11 $168.43 $113.08
11 to 12 $172.00 $115.60

Junior ANC capt hired: Dec 1998
Junior LAX capt hired: Sept 1998
Junior SEA capt hired Apr 1998

Per Diem :
$2.00/hr

Remember the old East Alpa Code a phones? Arnie Gentile would state the running total of back pay due to each east pilot for equal pay. That total must be astronomical by now. Too bad nobody will ever see it.

 

[prechilill]

Alaska just passed their TA. I don't know about captains but FO's got retro checks of approximately 13.5k. ...

Remember the old East Alpa Code a phones? Arnie Gentile would state the running total of back pay due to each east pilot for equal pay. That total must be astronomical by now. Too bad nobody will ever see it.

You can't fix stupid.

 

[Pi brat]

That wasn't a backhand. How many people here knew that "k" is legal shorthand for a contract? Be honest. I doubt very many folks who aren't in the legal field knew that or suspected it unless they guessed it by context.

Sorry hp, I guess I jumped the gun on that one.

 

[cleardirect]

(In45dayswe'regonnagetthoseguys,we'regonnasockittothemrealgoodandthen
we'llbeinchargeandthenthingswillbenormailandontop.NopethoseEastguysth
inkthey'resmartbutwhenwewinthissummerWakeisgonnasockittothemrealgoodlikean
ythingman.Justwaitandsee,you'llsee....)

ugh...sad.

Lets just see what Wake comes up with.. shall we? If you keep beating your chest, your gonna leave a bruise.

Rant and rave all you east guys want. In 45 days we are going to be living in a new world. There are events lining up that are going to completely change the dynamics of our situation.

The end of June judge Wake will issue his remedy . My prediction is that it is going to be very comprehensive and very tight. Little wiggle room for usapa to play games.

The Suzie arbitration should be decided. If she wins that it would be a $2 million loss for the Seham law firm, I mean the union.

The block hour arbitration should be issued. This could be a shift in block hours from the east to the west. Possibility of bringing back up to 100 west pilots. Guess what happens to the east pilots?

A long delay in contract negotiations. With the company locked into the Nicolau I expect usapa to drag their feet for awhile. The other possibility is the company walks away from the table because as long as usapa has appealed there is no way to get a contract. The company is not going to waste their time with usapa until there is a final decision. Two years form now before they start again. Willing to hold out at least three to four more years?

A little less clear would be another merger. With this comes all of the unknowns.

The fourth of July for usapa and the east could be a really bad holiday this year.

Ease up there little Nicky. As you can see I used a lot of modifiers. No hard chest pounding in my statement. You need to read the actual words instead of your imagined context.

If you want chest pounding go read the latest CLT update. Thank you boys for making our case. Can you say PRETEXT?

 

[SegmentKing]

there isn't going to be anything left of this company when both sides finally come to an agreement. Unfortunately, between now and then about 2/3rds of the east will have retired.

 

[hp_fa]

Sorry hp, I guess I jumped the gun on that one.

No worries.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Rant and rave all you east guys want. In 45 days we are going to be living in a new world. There are events lining up that are going to completely change the dynamics of our situation.

The end of June judge Wake will issue his remedy . My prediction is that it is going to be very comprehensive and very tight. Little wiggle room for usapa to play games.

The Suzie arbitration should be decided. If she wins that it would be a $2 million loss for the Seham law firm, I mean the union.

The block hour arbitration should be issued. This could be a shift in block hours from the east to the west. Possibility of bringing back up to 100 west pilots. Guess what happens to the east pilots?

A long delay in contract negotiations. With the company locked into the Nicolau I expect usapa to drag their feet for awhile. The other possibility is the company walks away from the table because as long as usapa has appealed there is no way to get a contract. The company is not going to waste their time with usapa until there is a final decision. Two years form now before they start again. Willing to hold out at least three to four more years?

A little less clear would be another merger. With this comes all of the unknowns.

The fourth of July for usapa and the east could be a really bad holiday this year.

That line really stuck out, even though I'm the one who gave it the bold faced type.

That grievance was discovered, researched, prepared and fought by east pilots fully aware that they were fighting for their west colleagues and no one else. Why? Because that's what USAPA is paid to do.

And, in typical west style, it gets rubbed in our faces once again.

Tell us all how much you have enjoyed the profit sharing checks again. and how hilarious it is that we got that for you in the TA when we are, on the whole, paid so much less.

Is it any wonder why why there is such animosity? Look at that post! Not even so much as a grudging "Thank you, Dave Ciabattoni, for running this race for us."

Instead, "we're goona get them hours and take them from youse guys.....waddaya think of dat?"

 

[luvn737s]

You think that the same people that USAPA has sued and held economically hostage through their tyrannical rule owes some "thanks" to their overlords?

For what??

 

[Nicstolemyjob]

Out visiting friends on my way to Sedona....thought I'd have a remark or two for the road.

Thanks NYC...you caught that too.

You see, cleardirect (I'll not change your name as you do mine) the East has done a few things that actually cost them real dollars for you. We voted to include YOU in the EAST profit sharing program to which YOU had NO access. And what have YOU done for the East in return? Deliberately run up phone bills on the union safety hotline to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars...and then deny it....among multitudes of other things designed to harm and damage the East.

Then, many of you complain about the lack of East vote to pay furlough insurance for west pilots who took it upon themselves to try to screw us over at every turn...and in the process put their faith in AOL...(have they ponied up any furlough $$ yet?...)

And then today YOU gleefully opine about the transferance of East flying to West resulting in East furloughs.

(And everyone wonders why we will willingly break it off in each other's tailpipe at every turn.)

It's not going to go down as you think. The moment Wake violates the democratic entitlements of the Union he makes our case for us in SFO. If he convey's the Nic requiring a ratification by the East...you will retire before you see it. So keep it up.

We hand you our money, and you want our jobs to boot.
Not gonna happen, believe that.

Oh well, off to Red Rocks.

 

[nycbusdriver]

It's not going to go down as you think. The moment Wake violates the democratic entitlements of the Union he makes our case for us in SFO. If he convey's the Nic requiring a ratification by the East...you will retire before you see it. So keep it up.

An interesting point. It appears that Judge Wake might just be about to make some case law that may hinder the operations of unions everywhere. Assuming that is the case, I wonder if the AFL-CIO will pony up support for the 9th Circuit appeal.

 

[Nicstolemyjob]

An interesting point. It appears that Judge Wake might just be about to make some case law that may hinder the operations of unions everywhere. Assuming that is the case, I wonder if the AFL-CIO will pony up support for the 9th Circuit appeal.

Every union in this country will fund the ensuing lawsuit. Even the newest and most powerful union in the country : the SEIU.

I have it on firsthand knowledge that our case is being written into textbooks as we speak....but it seems we may have only seen the tip of the iceberg....depending on Wake's brainstorm going forward.

 

[a320av8r]

An interesting point. It appears that Judge Wake might just be about to make some case law that may hinder the operations of unions everywhere. Assuming that is the case, I wonder if the AFL-CIO will pony up support for the 9th Circuit appeal.

Interesting and ironic that, generally speaking, most airline pilots are conservative republicans. Wake is a former corporate, anti-union attorney appointed by George II. Huh...
Just an observation.

 

[AWE_SHUCKS]

USAPA got a full mouth extraction last week, dentures will be coming by the end of June. Right now they are learning basic pronunciations again.
Stupid people do stupid things, like smoke, do drugs, or fight the IRS over a couple hundred dollars. Every day we see new ways for people to demonstrate their stupidity. How entertaining...

 

[nic4us]

An interesting point. It appears that Judge Wake might just be about to make some case law that may hinder the operations of unions everywhere. Assuming that is the case, I wonder if the AFL-CIO will pony up support for the 9th Circuit appeal.

Any legitimate union has nothing to worry about in the upcoming remedy. The fact is USAPA was formed to sidestep an arbitration result. Perhaps the AFL-CIO would pony up money if they felt that a unions right to bargain for the group was in jeopardy, but it is not. Wake will just reaffirm that the bargaining agent has a DFR to all of the workers in the bargaining group.

In regards to who might be willing to invest outside money to support a side, I would think the AFL-CIO would support the West to gaurantee that right of representation. Also, perhaps the American Arbitration Association would like to invest, because if USAPA were to get their way, there would be no need for them anymore, all disputes simply decided by majority rule.

 

[Nicstolemyjob]

Any legitimate union has nothing to worry about in the upcoming remedy. The fact is USAPA was formed to sidestep an arbitration result. Perhaps the AFL-CIO would pony up money if they felt that a unions right to bargain for the group was in jeopardy, but it is not. Wake will just reaffirm that the bargaining agent has a DFR to all of the workers in the bargaining group.

In regards to who might be willing to invest outside money to support a side, I would think the AFL-CIO would support the West to gaurantee that right of representation. Also, perhaps the American Arbitration Association would like to invest, because if USAPA were to get their way, there would be no need for them anymore, all disputes simply decided by majority rule.

Nic...your transferring relevent details of the case. Maybe this will help:

Your DFR case in no way affects USAPA or it's bargaining "authority", if you will. Your case does not bear on "why USAPA was formed"...only that it was adjudicated by a local jury that USAPA did not endorse the Nicolau list as it's official seniority list going forward. There is a world of difference. Judge Wake said himself that USAPA's authority as the legal bargaining agent for the group is not in question. For you to suggest that the "reasoning" for it's formation is tantamount to it's authenticity going forward doesn't work under the law.

And that is indeed bad news for you if you keep screwing with your union.

Just a little advice for you to sleep on.