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[sharonstoneseat]

Final thought. You and I work together. I'm with the East Coast division, you with the West. We share the same office from time to time. You make a copy of a key to the office mailbox (that I previously declared was not authorized for copying) taken from the office lock box. Some busybody in the office you don't get along with comes to me and says that you stole the key off my chain and copied it. I ask you if you've stolen the key off my chain and copy it. You say no (which is technically true since you didn't take it off my chain). I file charges with international saying you've stolen the key from my keychain and copied it. We go to before the board and you tell your side (cause you needed the key to check the mail on days I wasn't there) and I say that the only way you could have copied that key was to take if off my keychain without my permission and use the busybody as a witness (who wasn't there at the time of the copy). The busybody then takes that opportunity to add her own beef to the mix. Neither of us have proof of what actually happened. The board puts both of our testimonies into their decision and tells us to deal with the situation between ourselves. They sanction you for stealing the key because I say that I always keep it on my keychain.

Let me put this in a simple declarative statement rather than another hypothetical situation to somehow justify what occured here. I are not entitled to your stuff. I am not entitled to your stuff in your office, desk, car, home, gadget bag, briefcase, kitchen table or keychain. Even if you say you have pictures of my partner in a compromising positon they are not mine. I am not entitled to your things.

I may want something so bad that it constantly runs through my brain how pleasurable it would be to have it in my possession. but as an adult I have to have some sort of self discipline.

If this is their style of interaction with their peers in a very important situation and you endorse the subsequent swagger that Jeff is already posting on the AFA66 side that is your choice. Lisa and Jeff created this drama with their sense of entitlement coupled with a complete lack of self control. No one else is to blame.

Please read Jeff's latest missive on his heroic actions on the part of the West F/As. His admonishment to all of the members here to "Lead, follow or get the hell out the way" may be your idea of good professional advice and demeanor for this situation, others find it to be just more grossly inappropriate behavior from AFA66.

 

[Travelpro72]

Well I hear the recall is short by 200ish so be sure to get signatures of those that will be furloughed out there. What the officers of 66 did was uncalled for PERIOD. Recall them and get them out of office. Obviously AFA Int'l didn't want to get their hands dirty so the membership must take matters into their own hands. YOU as a flight attendant ARE the voice of your union. Take control and take them out of office.

 

[cactusflyer]

We are working on it! In the past few days there have been more and more people stepping up and wanting to help. Your numbers reflect that while the 3 amigo's have their supporters, they are a vocal minority. The Sec/Treasurer is still out there rewriting his version of history. If he wasn't so pathetic in his attempts it would almost be funny. The faster we put those 3 out the better of we will be.

 

[NoMoreKoolAid]

It would seem people calling members of this fake jury AFA set up has ruffled some feathers. A friend of mine in Philadelphia gets a call from the AFA legal office asking what he wanted and why was he calling parties involved. The Seattle United girl Dianna or something called and complained she was getting calls from East/West members that were less than pleased. No #### Dianna you just put salt in an open wound and set a get example to us all, steal and nothing happens. Guess they thought a call from big bad legal would scare members off from the truth? All of them should be strung up on charges for pure stupidity and incompetence. :down:

 

[HP2USFA]

Well seems there's no getting through here.

So I pose the next obvious question.

Who's gonna be the replacement? Is there even someone? Cause the former MEC is NOT an option. Their behavior post election was 2000x's worse than this current debacle could ever have been.

So who you gonna get to run and serve this lynch mob? Who would want to? Cause it'll only be a matter of time before they do something that gets them booted out and delay the contract even longer. Rinse repeat.

When exactly does it end? Cause at this point I cant find anyone without some sort of personality flaw that would be perfect for this job and who could actually get us a contract without the membership torpedoing them.

 

[SSDA]

Well stated. Several times this question has been posed. And yet, no answer. Not even a theory.

 

[beachboy]

You call being a thief with no remorse a character flaw!!!? Omg you guys are just totally out of your element. They will not represent me if I have to bring further charges against them. In the past few days other disparaging comments in public while representing AFA have been made by the gaggle of fools out West. I am gathering the information and will be HAPPY to drop it on AFA international's desk myself. They are bordering on an AFA DFR suit by the East. I don't know a one of you out West but I think at this point we can certainly find a smart willing person that can undergo some bootcamp and be better than this. Come on.
I am so sick of this amateur bull crap I can't tell you. Now some AFA reps out here on the East are defending the position saying they were pushed to do it. I think AFA is in a meltdown and it's up to us the members to right the ship. Our international leadership is asleep at the wheel.

 

[beachboy]

Guess they thought a call from big bad legal would scare members off from the truth? All of them should be strung up on charges for pure stupidity and incompetence. :down:

Oh please that just shows they are concerned. They are probably so instinctually slow they really don't understand what the big brew ha ha is about.

 

[Travelpro72]

All I know is the issue with the officers out west is not over. What happened clearly shows their character. He didn't take the documents "OUT" of Mike's bag but were on the table huh? Well if my wallet were on the freakin table and not in my pocket would that entitle you to take it if you thought it was in the "best interest" of your members. Also he states that the documents were from USAPA and not AFA. I don't care if it were directions to the local flea market. It's NOT your business. PERIOD! ! ! As for AFA Int'l......would you prefer to be the next ALPA? I think you'd be hard pressed to find a f/a that would jump up and down expressing joy for AFA and certainly Pat Friend. This issue and resolution or lack of will NOT be tolerated by any of us in the East. I say east as this group from the west is negotiating for ALL of us "east AND west". I don't like the behavior I have been seeing. GET THEM OUT! ! ! I don't care who you have to vote in.

 

[cactusflyer]

It gets even better I just found out that The west MEC President is married to the west pilot USAPA rep. and we all know about the east/west pilot relationship. Is that why the scheduling proposal was stolen and copied? It just gets more and more "interesting" by the minute. h34r:

 

[BajaBabe]

i never thought i would see the day afa came to this new low the people involved should be ashamed. there is a deal going on in the back room with boston phoenix charlotte and new york. They want to keep the pay they have and will throw flores to the wolves for the deal with Lisa as MEC president. you guys have to stand up and say enough or we are all damaged irrevocably.

 

[NoMoreKoolAid]

Oh yeah a USAPA rep and I just got an email with unprofessional facebook information by this Jeff VP person. Whats his deal? Slamming Mike Flores and making light of the hearing board on facebook. Smart man. Why do you think USAPA was so ticked at the copy being made. Her husband went off like a rocket from North Korea.

 

[SSDA]

So, document used in JOINT negotions should be the business of Mr. Flores, but not the other members of the negotiations team?

Cactus- This was never a secret. Also, I don't think he was a USAPA rep until well after she was in office. I might be mistaken on that point though. Besides, so what? The man stepped up to a difficult role to try to get the West guys represented, are you going to tar and feather him for doing the best he can in a situation that's uncomfortable for all? Are you just trying to create conspiracy?

 

[Travelpro72]

Why does the fact that they are horrible reps keep getting lost in translation? They did wrong and cannot be trusted. PERIOD. Those documents that Mike had were USAPA property and were sure as hell given to her husband. This whole thing is BS. Now you see reps from other bases on the east siding with Lisa to get her in office if they protect FPL? This is getting bigger by the minute.

 

[beachboy]

Fact or Fiction? The paper belong to USAPA given as a favor to Mike who requested it. Lisa was free to look at it all she wanted the only understanding it was NOT to be copied! When she asked Mike, he told her to call USAPA and ask herself but she was still free to look at his copy. No, you just take something?