U.S. Pilot Labor Thread 8/3 - 8/10

[HighbutFast]

I love it, I support it. If the AWAPPA guys think that they can behave the way they have with no repurcussions from a monetary standpoint, I say they are wrong.

I hope they go for millions in damages...

The egomaniacs out west who perpetrate this behavior seem to believe that nothing can be done to them...to wit: "anyone could have hung that doll...it was probably an East guy..."

Or, my favorite : "prove who's dung that is in the envelope.."

This is not acceptable by any means from an adult, much less a professional airline pilot.

I hope they hang those responsible with insurmountable treble damages.

 

[hp_fa]

Let's assume for a second that the Court of Appeals reverses the trial court's dismissal of the counts. (I don't think it will happen.)

If this matter is sent back to the trial court and the case were to proceed, guess who the judge would be? That's correct, the same one that dismissed the counts. There is no basis to de-assign the judge, especially now that he has heard a contested matter in the underlying case.

 

[CaptBud330]

Just curious. who is paying the legal expenses to represent the poop mailers?

 

[luvthe9]

Just curious. who is paying the legal expenses to represent the poop mailers?

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[nycbusdriver]

Let's assume for a second that the Court of Appeals reverses the trial court's dismissal of the counts. (I don't think it will happen.)

If this matter is sent back to the trial court and the case were to proceed, guess who the judge would be? That's correct, the same one that dismissed the counts. There is no basis to de-assign the judge, especially now that he has heard a contested matter in the underlying case.

True. But when a federal judge gets overturned, it gets his attention BIG TIME. Basically, you've been told by your professional superiors that you missed law school the day they taught law. The judge will probably rethink his logic and delve a little deeper into the case. Dontcha think?

 

[checksix]

Seehem and USAPA leadership need to "spin" the process for the continued support of the angry east fo's and the sympathetic captains. This lawsuit is a prime example of USAPA's desire to harm the pilots of AWA to the maximum degree.

Your conclusion is baseless. Ironically, I would characterize your accusations as an attempt at "spin," all due respect, electricjet98. My conclusion is, based on union communications and common sense, USAPA is taking the appropriate steps to address highly inappropriate and unprofessional behaviors.

So what happened to their statment that the damaging behavior has stopped? And what happened to their statement that the lawsuit was simply to stop the bad behavior and continuing damages? If they believe the defendents should reimburse USAPA for all costs and fees, why seek treble damages?

Anti-labor union activity will clearly not be tolerated - Let us hope the LeoWappa trouble makers have heard the message loud a clear. Assuming they have, perhaps we can now focus on the real issues at hand and avoid these unfortunate acts by the few.

 

[Phoenix]

True. But when a federal judge gets overturned, it gets his attention BIG TIME. Basically, you've been told by your professional superiors that you missed law school the day they taught law. The judge will probably rethink his logic and delve a little deeper into the case. Dontcha think?

Not only that but he didn't really rule on the merits which is a different issue.

And I am sure he will rule that all AWA lawyers must be Pro Bono since they are special.

 

[hp_fa]

True. But when a federal judge gets overturned, it gets his attention BIG TIME. Basically, you've been told by your professional superiors that you missed law school the day they taught law. The judge will probably rethink his logic and delve a little deeper into the case. Dontcha think?

Actually no. The judge already, by rule, gave all inferences to the plaintiffs as assuming as true each and every allegation contained in the Complaint. So, he did not need to evaluate any evidence and the defendants got no inferences upon anything which their defenses may rest. So if the judge could not find sufficient facts in the Complaint when there was, for the purpose of the Motion, no defenses to any of the facts, then I don't think it will change a thing if it needs to go to trial.

However, it is highly unlikely that this will ever get to trial and I think it ikely that the Order will not be overturned on appeal.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Just curious. who is paying the legal expenses to represent the poop mailers?

None of the named defendants are alleged to have mailed poop. You guys are to much. To answer your question though, good people who recognize evil when they see it, thats who.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

True. But when a federal judge gets overturned, it gets his attention BIG TIME. Basically, you've been told by your professional superiors that you missed law school the day they taught law. The judge will probably rethink his logic and delve a little deeper into the case. Dontcha think?

Man, that there is some heavy duty legal analysis, wow. You're being wasted as a New York City bus driver.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Man, that there is some heavy duty legal analysis, wow. You're being wasted as a New York City bus driver.

And that is a clever, sharp retort. Ouch. You should be writing for David Letterman.

 

[cleardirect]

Just curious. who is paying the legal expenses to represent the poop mailers?

What poop mailers? Do you have a name? Have you looked at the complaint? Where in there does it say who did it? The only thing in the complaint is an accusation, no evidence. Seham can make up anything he wants and put it in a complaint. His problem is that he did not prove anything.

Read the judges order, please educate yourself. For once don’t just believe the propaganda coming from the self appointed dictator.

This case was dismissed with prejudice because there was no case. The law was not broken. The judge ruled on the RICO statues. Conspiracy. It was not thrown out on a jurisdictional issues. It was thrown out because the case had no merit.

It is going to be really embarrassing for Seham to have his head handed to him again over this thing. Mind explaining what the point is?

 

[cleardirect]

I love it, I support it. If the AWAPPA guys think that they can behave the way they have with no repurcussions from a monetary standpoint, I say they are wrong.

I hope they go for millions in damages...

The egomaniacs out west who perpetrate this behavior seem to believe that nothing can be done to them...to wit: "anyone could have hung that doll...it was probably an East guy..."

Or, my favorite : "prove who's dung that is in the envelope.."

This is not acceptable by any means from an adult, much less a professional airline pilot.

I hope they hang those responsible with insurmountable treble damages.

Reading some of these posts from the east gives me the shivers. Looking into an east mind simply amazes me. What planet are some of you from?

You are ready to completely destroy someone's life because of an accusation, no proof just the accusation. That complaint was written to collect over $5 million from each individual. Did Bradford ever explain that to you. Never saw that printed anywhere did you. He only said that they want the activity to stop. No USAPA wants to malicious harm west pilots and so do you.

Unless you are completely oblivious, there are 18 named individuals on the complaint also, not just against some faceless organization. The way the complaint was filed each individual is on the hook for those millions that you are so eager to collect. Would it give you great pleasure to see 18 families have to file bankruptcy and lose everything that they have worked for their entire life so you can feel better about yourself? Is that what makes you happy, inflicting misery on others?

You disgust me, as you gleefully hope for the destruction of someone else.

Because of your attitude people like you have encouraged USAPA to use the tyranny of the majority and the power of taxation on it's members to destroy fellow pilots.

In your two examples: First you used the dung in the envelope. Yes, prove it is an appropriate question. Prove it, who did it? Do you have a name? Thank goodness there are rules and not just self appoint dictators deciding cases. There is absolutely no evidence of who mailed anything.

And for the doll that you and eastus seem to be so obsessed about. Someone brings it up every week. That was a one page, one day story back in May. Do you have any more information about that situation? Anything at all? If not STFU and let it go.

As far as being an adult and professional pilot. How about you try to be a human being and stop trying to make the world as miserable as you are.

 

[Megasnoop]

Your conclusion is baseless. Ironically, I would characterize your accusations as an attempt at "spin," all due respect, electricjet98. My conclusion is, based on union communications and common sense, USAPA is taking the appropriate steps to address highly inappropriate and unprofessional behaviors.

Six, debating with these guys is a waste of band-width. Even with the latest West down/grade bid, they'll never get it. They've got about 175 furloughs coming up. 146 of them are Dave ODell and up. All 146 could have been saved if their MEC had taken our MEC's LOS with fences offer at Wye River, followed by an ALPA cram-down contract. But no, they wanted "their" A330s. They did it to themselves. And this round of downgrades? They can't go after USAPA for those. It's not USAPA's fault ALPA didn't deliver. They've got a DFR all right, but they should go after ALPA. That DFR could start right now.

Remember what Parker said, no furloughed pilot will displace a working pilot, no matter how the list turns out. So those West furloughees will still be furloughed.

Anti-labor union activity will clearly not be tolerated - Let us hope the LeoWappa trouble makers have heard the message loud a clear. Assuming they have, perhaps we can now focus on the real issues at hand and avoid these unfortunate acts by the few.

that Leonidas notice that someone posted didn't mention AWAPPA or their ace attorney at all. Sounds like AWAPPA had its day. Leo's got this new crack team from PHX in there. And yeah, no doubt doing it "pro bono." NOT! Their former attorneys from St.Louis took a powder on them. Wonder why.
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[nycbusdriver]

Reading some of these posts from the east gives me the shivers. Looking into an east mind simply amazes me. What planet are some of you from?

You are ready to completely destroy someone's life because of an accusation, no proof just the accusation. That complaint was written to collect over $5 million from each individual. Did Bradford ever explain that to you. Never saw that printed anywhere did you. He only said that they want the activity to stop. No USAPA wants to malicious harm west pilots and so do you. ..

USAPA doesn't want to destroy anyone, especially not over an "accusation." The court will determine what is accusation and what is fact, that's why we have a court system.

If the court determines fact, then I think USAPA is really looking to recover damages and legal fees. They will probably be happy to settle it out of court. If the damages and legal fees force someone into bankruptcy, then that's the price to pay for doing illegal acts. The offer to settle had already been presented. USAPA wants nothing more than to break even on this, but it seems they are willing to make whatever investment it takes to see whatever the justice is that the courts will provide. It's the American way. It might not be perfect, but it is what it is.