TWU one line local for maint.

[BigMac]

Line Rep will be appointed by the International. Runner ups are Burchette vs Hewitt.

 

[1AA]

It is obvious that the TWU is silencing the line stations by taking away the ability to have local issues dealt with. Tulsa will pick up members or should I say dues money from DWH. Title II guys who are skilled maintenance professionals will be diluted in with fleet service locals. Aircraft Maintenance will be disbanded and will have one central location.
DFW is my guess since the ATD office is in Texas. Elections for one Line President and one Overhaul President will be soon. What powers will the Line President have over all the line stations outside of DFW? What powers does the Overhaul President have over the DWH membership? Logistically this is a nightmare. Two Presidents in Maintenance will have how much power in the Presidents council on Maintenance issues? Will they be overridden by all the other Non-Maintenance presidents?
Way too many details to be addressed in such a short time. The TWU will handle this like our contract. "TBD" at a later time.

I like the Idea of Peterson and Pyke running for Presidents. This will give us a opportunity to survive through this mess the TWU is creating.
This asks a question on who will be the Line Presidents liaisons? Way too many questions to be answered and figured out in such a short time. It is going to be ugly.
Tulsa needs to get rid of the fleet service President.

 

[1AA]

I hearr the appointed line rep will be Todd Woodward

For the Teamsters maybe.

 

[Bob Owens]

I was told that this was a PROPOSAL, to be considered and comments were invited or alternative ideas. How the UNION does the business of representing its' members in a manner that reflects the efficient use of each locals resources should be the main concern. Maybe a better idea would be to have a geographic local, DFW a stand alone, LAX and SFO, MIA and JFK area, and ORD, by itself. The economic health of the local should be the base condition for survival. The line resources would be consolidated (isn't that what is wanted) into a centralized grouping, with the base 514, and Tasel rounding out the reorg. Now is the time for critical thinking, not the usual BS that has gone on here for years.

Just seems wrong that the elected leaders of the Maintenance locals were left out of the reorganization of Maintenance.

If we compare the Maintenance Locals finances to the Fleet Locals finances I'll bet that overall the Maint Locals are far better off financially than the Fleet Locals even though the maint Locals have only been in existance for 13 years while many of the Fleet Locals have been around 75 years. The Finances arent a problem, and if it becomes one we can determine how best to handle it.

 

[1AA]

Just seems wrong that the elected leaders of the Maintenance locals were left out of the reorganization of Maintenance.

If we compare the Maintenance Locals finances to the Fleet Locals finances I'll bet that overall the Maint Locals are far better off financially than the Fleet Locals even though the maint Locals have only been in existance for 13 years while many of the Fleet Locals have been around 75 years. The Finances arent a problem, and if it becomes one we can determine how best to handle it.

The International just wants to silence the line guys. It is obvious what the intentions of the TWU is at this point.

 

[Bob Owens]

We still have separate contracts and can have separate negotiations. So two locals and two presidents. Isn't that what Bob wanted?

Why dont you ask Bob?

No doubt I'm in favor of consolidation, but not the way they are doing it. They are consolidating all of the A&Ps into two loacls, and spreading out Title II into b11 locals. Some of those locals that remain are smaller than the maint Locals that are being dissolved because the International determined that they are not financially viable, we have more money than ever right now.

What the International came up with, without talking to the Line Maint guys, is a plan that potentailly puts 11 Fleet Serrvice Clerks on a committee with two AMT reps to determine what the M&R group gets to vote on.There is only one guy from a maint local that sits on the Fleet Contract-Local 514. Is 514 giving up its Title II and Fleet guys?

 

[Bob Owens]

LOL, I guess you best be careful what you wish and turncoat for huh Bob. You never know how it may come back and bite you in the end. That Luis concoction not so good now?

So what are you saying? Are you saying be careful what you ask for from the International because they will screw you? Are you saying that this is retaliation against the Line? Arent they supposed to be on our side?

 

[Bob Owens]

The letter says $100K a year plus salaries. Since Owens stated already he gets $22K on top of his UBB, 562 will for him alone be in for $122K annually. He has posted here that the Baker letter was hush money when he was on the outside after he and Schalk got booted by the Int'l before. Now he is pissed because he lost his deal.

You say I'm pissed, I've already made it clear that I'm not but in your world if you say you know how other people feel you will simply keep repeating it till somebody believes you.

Where do you get $122K? Combined I get around $90k. So even if I took UB every day, which I wouldn't need to, it would be nowhere near $122K, plus with negotiations over for six years our local could afford to have me on UB every day. The TWU has plenty of Locals that are smaller with no company paid Union Business that survive.

 

[bigjets]

You would think that a big change in OUR union would be voted on by the union members. This is truly not a democratic operation.

I wonder why AA told the TWU to go to one line local?

 

[Bob Owens]

The TWU Constitution plus the DOL state the union has a fiduciary responsibility to the members. This includes making sure locals can stay solvent. The IEC reviewed the new cost to the locals and found they could not afford to exist without the Baker letter. Read Gless letter. AMFA did the same thing when NW, AS, and UA membership dropped. The closed the locals operationally. This is what Owens wanted, he is your hero. It's all good brother.

Thats odd, because when they pulled back on the Baker letter a few years back they didnt dissolve the small Fleet Service Locals.

Keep spinning, nobody believes you anyway.

 

[Bob Owens]

How much will we have to pay for the Maintenance Officers if American is not paying the salaries because the Baker Letter is gone? Can all the Local's afford that?

Isn't it up to the Locals to present a budget? In this case people from other locals, looking to grab Title II members and dues, unilaterally made a decision to liquidate 5 locals without even giving those locals the chance to give their input. Only one local is low on cash and they are climbing, The rest of us have more than we ever did and climbing now that negotiations are over.

Maint isnt like Fleet, we tend to have far fewer terminations and grievances. With negotiations over we can work the floor much of the time.

It does seem odd that the timeline for the formation of 591 lines up with the companys new termination of the Baker letter. Have to wonder did the International work with the company on this? Is this retaliation against the line by forcing Title II to go to Fleet and insuring that 514 remains the biggest Local carrying the majority vote?

The Line did say that we were willing to give up the Baker letter if we could get something in its place for our members, like a taxi premium, but instead Don got that money so he could appoint six guys of his choosing to run his various committees. We did not agree to that.

 

[strikeforce]

Why dont you ask Bob?

No doubt I'm in favor of consolidation, but not the way they are doing it. They are consolidating all of the A&Ps into two loacls, and spreading out Title II into b11 locals. Some of those locals that remain are smaller than the maint Locals that are being dissolved because the International determined that they are not financially viable, we have more money than ever right now.

What the International came up with, without talking to the Line Maint guys, is a plan that potentailly puts 11 Fleet Serrvice Clerks on a committee with two AMT reps to determine what the M&R group gets to vote on.There is only one guy from a maint local that sits on the Fleet Contract-Local 514. Is 514 giving up its Title II and Fleet guys?

it will put 11 fleet circus presidents on the M&E committee. and it changes the presidents council numbers as well. This has nothing to do with money....because in all reality, the local really doesn't need anyone off the clock full time. and, when local management asks for a meeting with the local....either bill AA for the expenses or have the meeting when your on the clock at work....otherwise tell them to go to hell. This is the union's way of stacking the deck against you, and it's so obvious.The only way to counter this is by having all your members at 562, and all the other line stations, as well as 567 and DWH, and all the NO voters at TUL, go off "check off", and go the maximum number of days in rears without getting fired, and then pay the dues in pennies. Like AA, you really need to hit them where it counts. Money talks!

 

[Overspeed]

You say I'm pissed, I've already made it clear that I'm not but in your world if you say you know how other people feel you will simply keep repeating it till somebody believes you.

Where do you get $122K? Combined I get around $90k. So even if I took UB every day, which I wouldn't need to, it would be nowhere near $122K, plus with negotiations over for six years our local could afford to have me on UB every day. The TWU has plenty of Locals that are smaller with no company paid Union Business that survive.

Your valuations are why you are a crappy negotiator. If a person is off on UBC you have to cover the benefit override, if they are of on UB full time then the benefits cost and other deductions cannot be made (401k?). So if you are a maxed out AMT then the employer share of taxes (FICA, SDI, WC, etc...) and paying for benefits adds another $15K to $20K on top of your salary. Add in your $22K 562 salary and you get to $122K.

So your plan to consolidate in your 8/17 letter is not a good idea?

And in my world it isn't hard to repeat information when they are facts. Read your over 10,000 comments and you will see you flip flop constantly. You love AMFA, you are against the Baker Letter, you are for the TWU change from within, you are for the Baker Letter, you want more than UA wages, now you want at least UA wages. Damn Bob, take your meds.

 

[Overspeed]

Thats odd, because when they pulled back on the Baker letter a few years back they didnt dissolve the small Fleet Service Locals.

Keep spinning, nobody believes you anyway.

No the Int'l didn't. Other Locals funded their UB needs. You said it yourself many times here. In M&E Local 514 paid for them but now they will need to pay their own officers. Can't afford it now.

 

[Overspeed]

Isn't it amazing that these idiots actually believe their own b.s.

He's now predicting that AA would have had 11K guys keep their $38/hr pay based on 80 guys. This guy is sick.....he needs meds brother.

No we would not have had 11K guys. The pay discussion would have been mostly a non-factor. The Committee would have been dealing with benefits and jobs. Not sick, practical. Vote no and you would have gotten neither. Maybe in two or three years we would have reached $38 after 50% or more outsourcing.