TWU one line local for maint.

[Overspeed]

if it was obviously wrong, why didn't the IEC and IAC override the members and implement in the best interest of the union?
or do they use them as scapegoats for the TWU ATD inability to secure a contract for their members.
The TWU does nothing to counter the company and remains silent to the company #### slapping union members in negotiations. Great leadership!! Their only response "what ever you guys want to do" but vote "yes" because we can't fight the company and will blame the negotiating committee and the members afterwards.
what ownership does the TWU ATD take for anything concessionary?

Not true Chuck. You and your buddies are the blame experts.

You want to vote on the contract, we vote no, and when we get screwed its the Intl's fault. If the Int'l would have rammed through the contract you would have screamed democracy is being suppressed.

Again Chuck, as I stated with Bob. If you know the odds, the way the system works, you go against it, and then you get burned then you have no one to blame but yourself. You treated collective bargaining like gambling and you lost, no we all lost.

 

[1AA]

You would think that a big change in OUR union would be voted on by the union members. This is truly not a democratic operation.

I wonder why AA told the TWU to go to one line local?

They did?????

 

[amt66]

I'm going to hand pay !!

 

[FWAAA]

Where do you get $122K? Combined I get around $90k. So even if I took UB every day, which I wouldn't need to, it would be nowhere near $122K, plus with negotiations over for six years our local could afford to have me on UB every day. The TWU has plenty of Locals that are smaller with no company paid Union Business that survive.

Looks like he's playing fast and loose with the numbers, but don't forget that you cost more than the approx $90k that's on your W-2. Your employer pays almost $7,000 of Soc Security and Medicare taxes on that $90k (in addition to your share deducted from your check). Plus AA's declining portion of your health insurance plus some unemployment taxes plus AA's portion of your retirement costs (frozen pension contributions plus defined contribution match from AA). My WAG is that the actual number for you could be $110k to $120k all-in (including the $10/hr local bump above the AA AMT payscale). Did every local add in $10/hr for their presidents?

The worthless union's assertion of an "8% benefit override" substantially understates those costs, as the employer portion of Soc Security and Medicare are 7.65% all on their own. Before health insurance, unemployment taxes and retirement. Those certainly add up to a lot more than 0.35% of your wages.

 

[AC Tynker]

So what are you saying? Are you saying be careful what you ask for from the International because they will screw you? Are you saying that this is retaliation against the Line? Arent they supposed to be on our side?

Nope, I am saying YOU are getting exactly what you turncoated from AMFA (well with a few altered details) about and tried to make out like you were the man behind the idea when it actually was brought up a few years ago under a different president at 514.

Our side Bob? I am not sure how anyone could be on the same side as you when you have so many.

 

[NYer]

Isn't it up to the Locals to present a budget? In this case people from other locals, looking to grab Title II members and dues, unilaterally made a decision to liquidate 5 locals without even giving those locals the chance to give their input. Only one local is low on cash and they are climbing, The rest of us have more than we ever did and climbing now that negotiations are over.

Maint isnt like Fleet, we tend to have far fewer terminations and grievances. With negotiations over we can work the floor much of the time.

It does seem odd that the timeline for the formation of 591 lines up with the companys new termination of the Baker letter. Have to wonder did the International work with the company on this? Is this retaliation against the line by forcing Title II to go to Fleet and insuring that 514 remains the biggest Local carrying the majority vote?

The Line did say that we were willing to give up the Baker letter if we could get something in its place for our members, like a taxi premium, but instead Don got that money so he could appoint six guys of his choosing to run his various committees. We did not agree to that.

So, you're saying that after the loss in dues, even if it's minor, and the need to pay the entire salary of all the union representatives (especially the Presidents) will not affect the Locals?

I understand we may be solvent today, but the changes are taking place for tomorrow...so in that case...How much do we take in at 562? What will the expenses be to cover the extra salary and the deduction in the dues from the loss of positions?

 

[NYer]

it will put 11 fleet circus presidents on the M&E committee. and it changes the presidents council numbers as well. This has nothing to do with money....because in all reality, the local really doesn't need anyone off the clock full time. and, when local management asks for a meeting with the local....either bill AA for the expenses or have the meeting when your on the clock at work....otherwise tell them to go to hell. This is the union's way of stacking the deck against you, and it's so obvious.The only way to counter this is by having all your members at 562, and all the other line stations, as well as 567 and DWH, and all the NO voters at TUL, go off "check off", and go the maximum number of days in rears without getting fired, and then pay the dues in pennies. Like AA, you really need to hit them where it counts. Money talks!

How does it put 11 Fleet Local Presidents in AC Maintenance negotiations if they don't represent A/C Maintenance members? They would just have a say with Title II issues. Right?

Aren't they losing any Locals with their outsourcing? STL, RDU, BNA,

 

[DNTULSA]

They did?????

They must have; don't we have a compAAny controlled union?

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Not true Chuck. You and your buddies are the blame experts.

You want to vote on the contract, we vote no, and when we get screwed its the Intl's fault. If the Int'l would have rammed through the contract you would have screamed democracy is being suppressed.

Again Chuck, as I stated with Bob. If you know the odds, the way the system works, you go against it, and then you get burned then you have no one to blame but yourself. You treated collective bargaining like gambling and you lost, no we all lost.

The "NO" vote was a done deal until 2 days prior counting the votes when Tulsa was bombarded with boo factor after boo factor and people changed their votes. That is what you call negotiating?
Tulsa caving in at the last minute was something I feared from the beginning. That is why I stated over and over was " if we are going to cave in at any point, then vote "yes". We have to go all the way for a chance to fight for ourselves and the industry. But that would mean "fight like hell" but those are only words to the TWU ATD.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Not true Chuck. You and your buddies are the blame experts.

You want to vote on the contract, we vote no, and when we get screwed its the Intl's fault. If the Int'l would have rammed through the contract you would have screamed democracy is being suppressed.

Again Chuck, as I stated with Bob. If you know the odds, the way the system works, you go against it, and then you get burned then you have no one to blame but yourself. You treated collective bargaining like gambling and you lost, no we all lost.

The "NO" vote was a done deal until 2 days prior counting the votes when Tulsa was bombarded with boo factor after boo factor and people changed their votes. That is what you call negotiating?
Tulsa caving in at the last minute was something I feared from the beginning. That is why I stated over and over was " if we are going to cave in at any point, then vote "yes". We have to go all the way for a chance to fight for ourselves and the industry. But that would mean "fight like hell" but those are only words to the TWU ATD.

 

[Rogallo]

They must have; don't we have a compAAny controlled union?

They must have; don't we have a compAAny bought union?

 

[amtide]

Does TWU take in consideration the members opinion on this? It looks to me that all what they want is to have better control over the members. They do not want a strong line locals presidents oposition to what ever they want to do.

What about a survey. Bring changes to the members, try to sell the ideas to us. How we benefit from the changes? What about some democracy.

 

[Tater Salad]

Does TWU take in consideration the members opinion on this? It looks to me that all what they want is to have better control over the members. They do not want a strong line locals presidents oposition to what ever they want to do.

What about a survey. Bring changes to the members, try to sell the ideas to us. How we benefit from the changes? What about some democracy.

We are not smart enough to know what's right for us. Didn't you know that?

 

[amtide]

We are not smart enough to know what's right for us. Didn't you know that?

Based on how we vote as a group. People might think that.

 

[strikeforce]

How does it put 11 Fleet Local Presidents in AC Maintenance negotiations if they don't represent A/C Maintenance members? They would just have a say with Title II issues. Right?

Aren't they losing any Locals with their outsourcing? STL, RDU, BNA,

If the FSC local can't afford to send a Title II rep.....guess who negotiates on their behalf? Right, the fleet circus clerk president. and, with the Baker Letter enforced, some locals are going to be hard pressed for resources during negotiations to send two or three reps. The company got their cake and your cake.....and you voted yes to both! The next thing you'll see is the IAC upping the dues percentage from each local........and that means upping your dues.