TWU one line local for maint.

[strikeforce]

Does TWU take in consideration the members opinion on this? It looks to me that all what they want is to have better control over the members. They do not want a strong line locals presidents oposition to what ever they want to do.

What about a survey. Bring changes to the members, try to sell the ideas to us. How we benefit from the changes? What about some democracy.

Democracy????? hahahahahahahahahahaha

now that's funny!! There is no democracy with "organized" labor. You pay......and shut up!

 

[Flying low]

Democracy????? hahahahahahahahahahaha

now that's funny!! There is no democracy with "organized" labor. You pay......and shut up!

Does that mean there is NO democracy with any union, ie... TWU, TEAMSTERS, AMFA, CWA
(I'll probably be called a jackwagon by odie again)

 

[1AA]

Does TWU take in consideration the members opinion on this? It looks to me that all what they want is to have better control over the members. They do not want a strong line locals presidents oposition to what ever they want to do.

What about a survey. Bring changes to the members, try to sell the ideas to us. How we benefit from the changes? What about some democracy.

You just described Communism. Jim Little is the Dictator.
Time to get out of this pathetic union TODAY.

Sign those cards boys. Send the TWU were they belong. Anywhere but M&R at AA.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

If doing away with the line locals and placing the facilities/automotive mechanics in the ramp locals doesn't get you mad then the TWU has won. It's time to send them the BIG message. Your GONE..

Find some one at your station who has AMFA cards sign one and lets send Bobby G. Don V. and the rest of the TWU Intl. packing.

Do you think that AA came up with this idea to remove the baker letter or did the TWU tell them by doing that we can get rid of the line locals in an attempt to stop the AMFA drive.? This will give the base sole power within the system and make any future votes totally one sided.

How much TRUST do you have with the TWU NOW?

 

[1AA]

The big losses in Tulsa shifted the power to the line stations. The TWU took the power away from the line stations by decertification of the line station locals. Now the power shifted back to Tulsa. Again the TWU International is driving a bigger wedge between the line and Overhaul AMT's. The problem is not the membership be it overhaul or line. It is the TWU. The TWU wants full control and is using the Tulsa membership to get it. We are so screwed as union members Overhaul and line as well as Title II. Tulsa and Title II are being played as suckers. The question is how far are we going to let this go? Our only chance at making change within this communistic pathetic organization that calls themselves a union is to........

SIGN AN AMFA CARD TODAY.

Lets bring democracy back into our profession.
The TWU fears AMFA. Lets get AMFA and have the TWU get over their fear by voting them OUT!!!

 

[Stewart Anderson]

Just one question for our appointed international representative, Why does the membership not have any say in this?

 

[NYer]

If the FSC local can't afford to send a Title II rep.....guess who negotiates on their behalf? Right, the fleet circus clerk president. and, with the Baker Letter enforced, some locals are going to be hard pressed for resources during negotiations to send two or three reps. The company got their cake and your cake.....and you voted yes to both! The next thing you'll see is the IAC upping the dues percentage from each local........and that means upping your dues.

There is word that the Fleet Presidents negotiated to keep the Baker Letter. Is that accurate? How did they get to keep it and we didn't?

 

[Overspeed]

If doing away with the line locals and placing the facilities/automotive mechanics in the ramp locals doesn't get you mad then the TWU has won. It's time to send them the BIG message. Your GONE..

Find some one at your station who has AMFA cards sign one and lets send Bobby G. Don V. and the rest of the TWU Intl. packing.

Do you think that AA came up with this idea to remove the baker letter or did the TWU tell them by doing that we can get rid of the line locals in an attempt to stop the AMFA drive.? This will give the base sole power within the system and make any future votes totally one sided.

How much TRUST do you have with the TWU NOW?

For your theory to work, too many stars have to align. The Baker letter change was on all TWU term sheets. Understand that the Line Presidents didn't want the letter. Owens has stated many times on this blog and elsewhere when he was booted off the E Brd at 562. Now he's back he wanted to create a local that one person could control the contract. He stated in his 8/17 letter that one local was one of the ways discussed to resolve the problems he felt were caused by multiple locals. So let's put the facts together, he flies off the handle and sends out a verbally abusive email after the APA's first abrogation hearing, Little publicly chews his ass, and Bob comes out with a "change from within" letter 8/17 so he won't get booted. Bob writes about new local structure plans (he must have either known about the coming change or he had already discussed it with Little) in his "change from within" letter (apology to Little) and now he is screaming again because he must have screwed up his deal with Little with his email tirade. Bob and his mouth screwing up the deals, go figure.

Classic, now you blame the TWU and we need a separate AMT union at AA. Really? You guys were all onboard with Bob's ideas before. He said it was discussed openly in his 8/17 letter. So it wasn't a secret and he and others provided the idea in the first place.

 

[Overspeed]

Does that mean there is NO democracy with any union, ie... TWU, TEAMSTERS, AMFA, CWA
(I'll probably be called a jackwagon by odie again)

Wear it like a badge of honor. It means you stumped him.

 

[Overspeed]

Does TWU take in consideration the members opinion on this? It looks to me that all what they want is to have better control over the members. They do not want a strong line locals presidents oposition to what ever they want to do.

What about a survey. Bring changes to the members, try to sell the ideas to us. How we benefit from the changes? What about some democracy.

Bob says in his 8/17 letter that locals being restructured was already discussed. He knew it was coming or why else would he talk about it?

 

[Rogallo]

Can you answer anything without a reference to Bob?

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Bob and his mouth screwing up the deals, go figure.

Classic, now you blame the TWU and we need a separate AMT union at AA. Really? You guys were all onboard with Bob's ideas before. He said it was discussed openly in his 8/17 letter. So it wasn't a secret and he and others provided the idea in the first place.

Overspeed

Just because I work at a line station and want to rid AA of the TWU doesn't mean that I agree with Bob and his way of thinking. He has been out there as they say as of late. Being under one local at the line stations for me is a mistake. It may work at UPS or even for the IBT. Too many deals and scams here at AA for it to work. The I got Mine way of thinking will make it hard to manage and keep it fair for all. Putting stores with us and the Facilities/automotive with the ramp is the TWU's way of seperation. The RLA puts them with us.(AMT's) I don't know who Bob openly talk about this with since it seems to be a surprise to us here in Miami.

There are some AMFA supporters here I align myself with and others have opinions that I differ from. I guess its a generation thing. AA is the 5th carrier Ive worked for. All the others are Gone. So I have seen all the bs the industry has delt in the last 30+ yrs. Not sure what station your at or what you do here at AA. But the TWU has always been a company union. They have found way to support AA rather than the AMT's even long before I hired on here. So before you ask then why did I come here, AA was the biggest and I thought that AA would not end up in BK.

AA is going to do what ever it takes to shed the O/H facilities since all of the others have done so. It may not be next yr but thats the plan don't be fooled. Its the industries way NOW. Delta is even going to open a maintenanace facility in Mexico.

So do I believe we at AA need a Union that will look out for the AMT's best interest now and in the yrs to come after both you and I are Gone. "YES"

AMFA is the one I think will do that. You may have a different opinon and thats ok.
I would like it to come to a vote, and let the membership pick the Union they want.
UAL has done it several times and may do it again once the intergration is complete.

Time will tell, the Teamsters have lied to them and they are even looking at either the IAM again or back to AMFA. Can't get a straight answer since seniority intergration is upmost on the minds of the AMTs now.

So don't put all the AMFA supporters in the same catagory.

Sign a AMFA card lets take it to a vote, just like the yes/no voters you will have your choice. Lets be fair to all the AMT's at AA.

 

[1AA]

Can you answer anything without a reference to Bob?

PHAT Don is threatened by Bob Owens. He can shut him up at president council meetings but he feels threatened here so he tries to discredit him on a public forum. The way I see it........It is working really good. Well I mean it is getting more AMFA cards signed. He will stop at nothing to protect his triple digit salary. I wonder what choice he will make once AMFA is voted in and the TWU is booted out.
That is the way I see it.

 

[Buck]

Why would Phat Don be threatened, with no accountability and the fact that he works for the International, he would retain his position, correct?

 

[Bob Owens]

How does it put 11 Fleet Local Presidents in AC Maintenance negotiations if they don't represent A/C Maintenance members? They would just have a say with Title II issues. Right?

Aren't they losing any Locals with their outsourcing? STL, RDU, BNA,

Wrong, what the IEC did was make things worse, not better. Look at SWA, do they have Fleet service clerks sitting in voting on the Flight Attendants contract and vica versa? No. What the IEC did was actually add three more Fleet service clerks to M&R negotiations and remove Four M&R guys from the Presidents council. This council votes on things such as LOA's that remove the experience requirement for Line Maint. Do you think its right that mechanics are outnumbered when they vote on changes to the mechanics contract? Thats the problem with our structure, its convoluted to make sure that Line mechanics especially have no real say in what happens to mechanics. Title II was told where they were going to new locals, they werent even given the option, I suggested that they go to a system wide vote, they either vote to go with the AMTs in AMT locals or they go to the Fleet locals and we go for seperate books. The move was a deliberate calculated attempt to further strip mechanics of power over their own futures.

My opinion is, subject to a vote, that everyone in our contract should be in our Local, just like SWA, just like Dispatch, just like nearly all the other Locals in the TWU. To be clear, I do not want a vote on the Fleet Contract and I dont want anybody that doesnt have to live under our deal voting on ours. Is that unreasonable? that doesnt mean that I wont support them, it just means that I want us to have just as much say over our contracts as they have over theirs. It seems that as far as the IEC is concerned the only way mechanics can get that is to leave the TWU.

We bring in more than enough to cover my pay and I wont have a problem handling working the floor and my duties as president. Maint doesnt generate the amount of grievances that other groups do, plenty of smaller Locals in the TWU survive under similar circumstances.