TWU negotiations.........what?

[Chuck Schalk]

Please enlighten me as to what was "pro management"???

I posted here because Mr. Schalk who is an elected Union leader has posted his views on retro pay. I would like to hear his ideas on how he can achieve his goals. So far no answer. I would like a million bucks, but talk is cheap.

First of all, the view on Retro is not just my view but a majority view of the membership I represent. I already stated that this is not just my crusade and it will take the leadership of the owners of our contract to enforce the wishes of the membership and let the presidents, executive boards, and the members support that.
maybe someday all of us can use our real names so we know who we are talking with.

 

[MTheory]

First of all, the view on Retro is not just my view but a majority view of the membership I represent. I already stated that this is not just my crusade and it will take the leadership of the owners of our contract to enforce the wishes of the membership and let the presidents, executive boards, and the members support that.
maybe someday all of us can use our real names so we know who we are talking with.

Mr. Schalk;


I want retro, we all want retro. But you have not answered the question. What are YOU doing to achieve that goal? You are the leader. You stated that retro is non-negotiable. How will you back up that position? What is your President, who I assume is on the negotiation committee doing? What are you as a leader doing to increase our value?

 

[MTheory]

Mr. Schalk;

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Mr. Schalk;


I want retro, we all want retro. But you have not answered the question. What are YOU doing to achieve that goal? You are the leader. You stated that retro is non-negotiable. How will you back up that position? What is your President, who I assume is on the negotiation committee doing? What are you as a leader doing to increase our value? In my opinion, we are headed for an impasse or BK. What can we do to stop it?

Mr. Mtheory or who ever you are

Retro once again is a system wide issue for us not a local issue and the owners of the contract bear the burden of fighting for the obvious rights of the membership and allowing the company to get a free extension. They are in the best position to make retro a sticking point and listen to our president on the retro issue.I will support the owners of the contract if their position is the same as ours that retro is non-negotiable.
I agree we are probably heading for an impasse or BK and we have no way of stopping it if thats what the company wants. Where is the strength of our negotiations and what tools do we have? Informational picketing as suggested by the International? The TWU does not have any effective tools to negotiate other than talking. That is why we are where we are, in my opinion.
What station are you from Mr. MTHEORY?

 

[MTheory]

Mr. Mtheory or who ever you are

Retro once again is a system wide issue for us not a local issue and the owners of the contract bear the burden of fighting for the obvious rights of the membership and allowing the company to get a free extension. They are in the best position to make retro a sticking point and listen to our president on the retro issue.I will support the owners of the contract if their position is the same as ours that retro is non-negotiable.
I agree we are probably heading for an impasse or BK and we have no way of stopping it if thats what the company wants. Where is the strength of our negotiations and what tools do we have? Informational picketing as suggested by the International? The TWU does not have any effective tools to negotiate other than talking. That is why we are where we are, in my opinion.
What station are you from Mr. MTHEORY?

Mr. Schalk;

I am an AMT at a Class 1 city. Beyond that, like many on this board, I choose to remain anonymous. I do applaud you and Mr. Owens though for your transparency. It would be better if everyone felt the same way.

You still evade the question. You are in a position of leadership. You are the TWU. I was hoping that you had some ideas to back up your position. You will need leverage in negotiations. I hope you can do more than talk. As I stated before, talk is cheap.

 

[MTheory]

Retro should be to us what the eight hour day is to the company. It is non negotiable.

We managed to negotiate away the 8 hour day at the bases. Since we are in mediation I fear this is all a moot point.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Mr. Schalk;

I am an AMT at a Class 1 city. Beyond that, like many on this board, I choose to remain anonymous. I do applaud you and Mr. Owens though for your transparency. It would be better if everyone felt the same way.

You still evade the question. You are in a position of leadership. You are the TWU. I was hoping that you had some ideas to back up your position. You will need leverage in negotiations. I hope you can do more than talk. As I stated before, talk is cheap.

Our leverage in Mediation is demonstrating to the mediator what we have given up to help the company survive over the years and how that we are only asking for what was taken from us and that it is not unreasonable to ask for. Secondly the TWU and it's political clout has a role play in this as well to help in the process to our benefit. The TWU has the monetary data to support our claims as well as all the monetary benefits the company reaped from the JLT,CI... programs. For the record, I am not the TWU, I am an elected representative of the membership of the TWU local. I will represent the members in the best way I can with the tools that are afforded to me. Right now my voice on RETRO on behalf of my members to management and making sure that our voice is the same in other stations is creating leverage by the use of a larger voice to be heard. We can only support our leaders at this point, they are the point men not me and I will support any effective campaign born out the TWU to support the campaign to a suitable contract. at this point in time, I have not seen one to support.

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

We managed to negotiate away the 8 hour day at the bases. Since we are in mediation I fear this is all a moot point.

We ??
Do you have a mouse in your pocket or was it your yes vote that helped to negotiate it away??
Mediation does not make negotiations a "moot point"
You need to realize that you are the union and you need to show the company planes dont leave unless you let them. While we remain in mediation for the next year or two why not try and make a difference. If you dont know how to prove to the company that you are an asset then you have no business being on this board.

 

[MTheory]

We ??
Do you have a mouse in your pocket or was it your yes vote that helped to negotiate it away??
Mediation does not make negotiations a "moot point"
You need to realize that you are the union and you need to show the company planes dont leave unless you let them. While we remain in mediation for the next year or two why not try and make a difference. If you dont know how to prove to the company that you are an asset then you have no business being on this board.

Mr. Dargenio;

No mouse. Yes, WE. There was a vote. Granted I think that I could make a case that the vote was a fraud, but that is a topic for a new thread. (I voted "NO", not that it made a difference)
My point is that in mediation, nothing is off the table. We have not even been offered a raise. No raise, no retro. In mediation, the mediator will look at our wages and benefits, and compare them to our peers in the industry. Not what was taken away 5 years ago. Sorry, but that is how it works. Im not saying that we wont get a raise. I hope we do. Im not saying we wont get retro. Im saying that it is not guarranteed. There are many possible outcomes to what can happen in the future. None that are guarranteed.
Also, I know how to make a difference. Dont assume otherwise. If you think that people who can not prove that they are assets to the Company shouldnt be on this board, you need to start a new thread.

 

[Bob Owens]

Mr Owens;

Problem is it is probably orchestrated to control labor costs.

Reminds me that old CCR song "Fortunate Son"
Some folks are born silver spoon in hand,
Lord, don't they help themselves, oh.
But when the taxman comes to the door,
Lord, the house looks like a rummage sale, yes,

So why bother looking at the balance sheet? I dont question their ability to make things look bad.

Look at their revenue growth over the last five years.
Compare that to fleet size and the amount of employees they had.

Revenue is up while the number of employees and aircraft (labor and non-fuel operating costs) are down.

The money is coming in, the question is; "do we make sure we get our share before they spend it somewhere else?"

 

[Bob Owens]

Mr. Schalk;


I want retro, we all want retro. But you have not answered the question. What are YOU doing to achieve that goal? You are the leader. You stated that retro is non-negotiable. How will you back up that position? What is your President, who I assume is on the negotiation committee doing? What are you as a leader doing to increase our value?

No need to increase the value, we've done that and the company still doesnt want to give us anything. We do more with and for less.

We need to demand a fair price for what we produce.

Right now we have to bide our time through mediation, unless of course management decides to be reasonable.

 

[MTheory]

No need to increase the value, we've done that and the company still doesnt want to give us anything. We do more with and for less.

We need to demand a fair price for what we produce.

Right now we have to bide our time through mediation, unless of course management decides to be reasonable.

Agreed.

 

[Birdman]

Negotiation progress right on schedule.

March 13, 2009
This week, American Airlines and the Transport Workers Union met for three days with senior mediator Zachary Jones and assigned NMB mediator Jack Kane.
On March 11 and 12, each side met individually with the mediators, allowing team members the opportunity to introduce themselves and explain each party’s perspective regarding negotiations.
On March 13, the two parties met jointly with the mediators to review the 17 remaining open articles and the protocol to be followed moving forward.
The mediator set the next session for April 13-17, 2009 in St. Louis.

 

[High Speed Steel]

Anyone reading TA's or open articles the negotiaating committee is presenting to the mediator?

The next round for M/R is to be held in St. Louis. I think a better location would be "The Great Divide" up in Wyoming. That would be a more fitting location to show this mediator how they wish to "split the pie"......... h34r:

 

[Bob Owens]

Anyone reading TA's or open articles the negotiaating committee is presenting to the mediator?

The next round for M/R is to be held in St. Louis. I think a better location would be "The Great Divide" up in Wyoming. That would be a more fitting location to show this mediator how they wish to "split the pie"......... h34r:

Alaska was mentioned, but as a Joke.
The Mediator picks the venue.
The Mediator comes from Missouri.