TWU negotiations.........what?

[TWU informer]

Union members distributed t-shirts, signs, buttons and whistles, while safety marshals volunteered directing hundreds of brothers and sisters safely across the street. TWU members from local transit and rail divisions attended in support of their airline division members.

WOW, no doubt this same tired strategy worked much better this time than it has in the past.

And then more from the loudmouth unelected appointed IDIOT

TWU International President James Little chastised AA’s management team for its mismanagement and not taking care of those who make an airline successful – its people. “Their focus appears to be on themselves and they have drug out negotiations for years knowing they could always file for bankruptcy,” Little said. “In Europe, when a company files for bankruptcy the first thing the court does is remove the management team that put them there, but not here! - No, not here! We gave them our blood, sweat, tears and our money - and this is what we get?”

WELL tell us all Mr. James C. Little, when is that affiliation with the AFL-CIO going to kick in and show it's worth? I mean why has that political affiliation allowed the laws that have trapped you into this mess to continue? You have claimed for years the affiliation importance but I see no results.

When will you finally admit that this BS Political Arena strategy has failed the American Worker? When will you admit that your t-shirts and slogans are meaningless? When will you admit that your loudmouth at a protest podium is also worthless? When will you admit that the TWU is powerless in it's current structure and strategy and implement real change that workers of the country might see some results?

 

[Kev3188]

Should be 1500-1700 NO's from AFW....Vote No sign's up already.

I would certainly hope so! Who from AFW would actually vote yes?

04/24/2012


Of those, 9,000 are from the ranks of the Transport Workers Union, which represents mechanics and ground workers. But the airline has reached a tentative accord with the transport workers that could save around 3,000 jobs, a person familiar with the agreement said Monday. The jobs saved would come from fleet service workers and maintenance workers. Union members will get a chance to vote on the new proposal.

On the surface, that's positive news. I wonder what the "give to get" is, though...

 

[TWU informer]

If no substantial Early Out is attached to it then it will be D.O.A.

And even then it will likely fail.

I know I am a no vote this time.
I was in the group getting bought off on the T/A, now I am right back where I have been on every other TWU sellout.
Bottom Feeder

 

[Vortilon]

Yeah, if all they offer is saving jobs (to keep dues payers numbers up) it will be a definite NO vote from the majority. A 6 year deal by itself, should be a NO vote.

 

[Buck]

Yeah, if all they offer is saving jobs (to keep dues payers numbers up) it will be a definite NO vote from the majority. A 6 year deal by itself, should be a NO vote.

Yes of course it will be a NO vote.

I just hope that there are enough no votes to overcome those voting with fear. That is what the TWU is best at.

 

[dc10boy]

From what I hear ORD will be no as well. I hope fear does not rule the day.NO will be my vote.Although all early indications place Judge Lane firmly on the company side, I will NOT do this to myself!If they impose this on me I still have my dignity, but not much else.

 

[AANOTOK]

"The union has been working with the company to put together AA's "last, best offer" that is "significantly different from the company's original demands"

So just exactly what are we voting on? Is it still top secret...(directed towards fleet, not mechanics)

 

[eolesen]

Wouldn't voting Yes still be better than the term sheet? Once again, I see people voting No because they think there's a better deal.

You've seen the rock, and you've seen the hard place. What am I missing here? You really think that USAir's offer will be that much better than the TA?

 

[700UW]

The offer they vote on will be what AA has to submit to the court. They cant submit the term sheet, it has to be the final offer AA sends to the union to vote on.

 

[AANOTOK]

Wouldn't voting Yes still be better than the term sheet? Once again, I see people voting No because they think there's a better deal.

You've seen the rock, and you've seen the hard place. What am I missing here? You really think that USAir's offer will be that much better than the TA?

If that was directed at me e (if not never mind) it mean't when are we gonna see what it is from our TWU and how much it did change from the term sheet Nothing about yes or no vote! See, some of us don't have to be like informer and spout out "learn to comprehend".

 

[Tater Salad]

If im not mistaken, if we vote in this pos, we are stuck with it for six years. If we vote no, and it is imposed on us, dont we go back to negotiations?

 

[dfw gen]

Voting yes is worst than voting no. If we turn it down its imposed. If we vote it in we are stuck with it?
Is there s strategy to bringing it back for a.vote that I'm missing?

 

[eolesen]

If im not mistaken, if we vote in this pos, we are stuck with it for six years. If we vote no, and it is imposed on us, dont we go back to negotiations?

If the contract is abrogated, it appears that Article 47 is amended to provide a new duration of six years from date of abrogation.

So either way, your next round of negotiations will be in 2018.

 

[Birdman]

The offer they vote on will be what AA has to submit to the court. They cant submit the term sheet, it has to be the final offer AA sends to the union to vote on.

We've seen what they submitted to the judge and have not seen their "last/best" offer. According to Bob their l/b offer has additions never before discussed and no striken language under the guise of saving a few thousand jobs. For most of us it makes no difference how they achieve their $210-$212m savings, as a no vote is the only means available to return to the negotiations table, regardless of an abrogation. E, a yes vote ending all talks for 6 years and a l/b offer trading more pay for jobs is unacceptable.

What Happens When the Judge’s Decision Is Made?
If the court permits the employer to terminate the CBA, the company's proposed contract changes are implemented. The company may implement only those proposals made during the 1113 negotiations - it cannot make changes outside of those proposals.

The duty to bargain continues and the parties return to negotiations for a new agreement.
A union is permitted to strike only if released from bargaining by the NMB.
If the Judge rules that the company's 1113 proposal is not both fair and equitable and reasonably necessary for the company's reorganization, the current CBA remains in force.

 

[CMH_GSE]

If we vote "yes", it does NOT carry ANY weight if we eventually do the merger with US because there is a whole different set of terms under which we work if we do the merger.

I think we need to think a little longer about this vote, I'm not sure what I am voting yet, I haven't seen the terms.

I know this much, if vote "yes" on whatever the terms are, we would at least KNOW what is coming, as opposed to voting "no" and having the judge reject our contracts. At that point AA can do WHATEVER they want to and we have no say, none.

It wouldbe nice to see the terms of the merger agreement before we have to vote on the AA last best pos.