TWU negotiations.........what?

[AANOTOK]

Question (and it's probably covered here somewhere, to lazy to read):

If/when we vote on AA's last best final offer and we vote no, do they go back to the term sheet they presented to the judge
and implement that, or do they have to have to go with the last best final offer? Or neither...

 

[eolesen]

Once the basic terms have been imposed by the company they can amend what they wish, when they wish, and answer to know one as long as they stay within the parameters of the basic terms they had presented before the judge. So yeah, they will really be able to show you what they can do brother!!!

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. The company has one pass by which to make changes.

Once approved, the company can only work within the language they have, just as they do today. If they seek 60% outsourcing but only do 30%, yeah, they can do that. But they can't wake up a month later and decide 70% is the new goal.

Of course, if there's a loophole to be exploited, they can do that, just like they could do with any contract.


Four months into the process, the ignorance expressed by some on what bankruptcy means to you guys is inexcusable.

If/when we vote on AA's last best final offer and we vote no, do they go back to the term sheet they presented to the judge and implement that, or do they have to have to go with the last best final offer? Or neither...

If the company concurs that the BFO is still a valid TA, and it is approved, the company could accept that in lieu of the term sheet. Failing that, the term sheet is what they seek to impose.

Term sheet is your worst case, a consensual agreement is always your best case, even if it isn't the best you could do. And no, there probably won't be retro or restoration.

 

[TWU informer]

Once the basic terms have been imposed by the company they can amend what they wish, when they wish, and answer to know one as long as they stay within the parameters of the basic terms they had presented before the judge. So yeah, they will really be able to show you what they can do brother!!!

And you are involved in our Arbitration issues too?

No wonder we are getting our asses kicked.

No wonder AA spent over 1/2 Million Dollars to protect the TWU from a membership representational election.
When people like you believe anything, and others call upon you for information, we are just simply lost and screwed.

You are spewing this fear that has been whispered in your ear, but have no legal reference or basis for that belief.

Wake up and smell the Roses.

It is damn unfortunate that we have members so close to the TWU Tower of Involvement and yet are so uneducated.

 

[AANOTOK]

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. The company has one pass by which to make changes.

Once approved, the company can only work within the language they have, just as they do today. If they seek 60% outsourcing but only do 30%, yeah, they can do that. But they can't wake up a month later and decide 70% is the new goal.

Of course, if there's a loophole to be exploited, they can do that, just like they could do with any contract.


Four months into the process, the ignorance expressed by some on what bankruptcy means to you guys is inexcusable.




If the company concurs that the BFO is still a valid TA, and it is approved, the company could accept that in lieu of the term sheet. Failing that, the term sheet is what they seek to impose.

Term sheet is your worst case, a consensual agreement is always your best case, even if it isn't the best you could do. And no, there probably won't be retro or restoration.

Damn it e, I have read my question six times now and I still can't find where I asked if there would be retro or restoration. I'm gonna read it a few more times but I'm pretty confident it ain't there. 🙄

 

[Birdman]

Term sheet is your worst case, a consensual agreement is always your best case, even if it isn't the best you could do. And no, there probably won't be retro or restoration.

Has anyone outside of the secret negotiations seen anything other than what the compAAny has put in a term sheet or court filing? It appears we'll have "one pass" to see a consensual agreement.

 

[Zom JFK]

The last best offer is so super top secret maximum security The twu and the company had to discuss it under the cones of silence! NO ONE will see it they will only be given a yes or no box to check THATS IT! Only after an electronic (the fix is in) vote will you get to see it!

 

[Buck]

The last best offer is so super top secret maximum security The twu and the company had to discuss it under the cones of silence! NO ONE will see it they will only be given a yes or no box to check THATS IT! Only after an electronic (the fix is in) vote will you get to see it!

You forgot the decoder ring.

Yea, I believe I have it figured out.

High Speed Steel is Rick Mullins!

 

[TWU informer]

High Speed Steel is Rick Mullins!

Wrong again

 

[dfw gen]

High speed steel is tom horton!

 

[iluvaa]

Kevin gorrmens?

 

[Birdman]

High Speed Steel is Rick Mullins!

High speed steel is tom horton!

Kevin gorrmens?

Did you guys not watch the channel 2 news last night?

 

[TWU informer]

It would be best and more productive to not worry about who HSS is and stick to the issues.

I have already received warning status from moderators for this type of activity.

 

[TWU informer]

Interesting Video

Charlene

 

[dfw gen]

Buck, on 24 April 2012 - 05:50 PM, said:

High Speed Steel is Rick Mullins!





dfw gen, on 24 April 2012 - 06:15 PM, said:

High speed steel is tom horton!





iluvaa, on 24 April 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

Kevin gorrmens?



Did you guys not watch the channel 2 news last night?

hes Jim Little?

 

[paul1]

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. The company has one pass by which to make changes.

Once approved, the company can only work within the language they have, just as they do today. If they seek 60% outsourcing but only do 30%, yeah, they can do that. But they can't wake up a month later and decide 70% is the new goal.

Of course, if there's a loophole to be exploited, they can do that, just like they could do with any contract.


Four months into the process, the ignorance expressed by some on what bankruptcy means to you guys is inexcusable.




If the company concurs that the BFO is still a valid TA, and it is approved, the company could accept that in lieu of the term sheet. Failing that, the term sheet is what they seek to impose.

Term sheet is your worst case, a consensual agreement is always your best case, even if it isn't the best you could do. And no, there probably won't be retro or restoration.

Well one big problem and thats its not a consenual agreement. Is it?


The company filed to abrogate the CBA"s under section 1113(c) with the
courts on March 27, 2012.
Attached to the section 1113(c) filing was AA's 1113(c) ask.
AA 1113(c) Process
The Union has been negotiating with the company since February of 2012.
The goal is to come to a consensual agreement (Tentative Agreement)
If a tentative agreement can be reached, the membership will vote on it. If a
tentative agreement cannot be reached the membership will then vote on
AA's last best offer.
If T/A is not reached AA will make their Last Best Offer
AA - Last Best Offer may contain T/A'd articles and also part of AA 1113(c)
Terms
YES / NO
April 23, 2012, AA goes to court to put on the case of CBA Elimination.
Two weeks after the close of AA's trial presentations the Unions will put on
the case to maintain the current CBA. If either the LBO or the TA is voted :
YES, then the court can approve the voted on agreement
NO, then the judge rules on AA's 1113 motion to abrogate (terminate) the
CBA.
The judge will make final determination to terminate the contract

or continue to talk it out and start at the top again


The judge's concern is for AA to successfully emerge from bankruptcy.
Court rules on
approval of T/A
or last best
offer
If the CBA is rejected, section 6 openers will begin.
Starting times for these will be determined at that time