TWU negotiations.........what?

[paul1]

If the contract is abrogated, it appears that Article 47 is amended to provide a new duration of six years from date of abrogation.

So either way, your next round of negotiations will be in 2018.

what aa only throws out the parts that they want. bs. If its not a consensual agreement why even vote? the end is near !!!!!!!!!!! and no i'm not counting on usair to save us.

 

[MCI transplant]

what aa only throws out the parts that they want. bs. If its not a consensual agreement why even vote? the end is near !!!!!!!!!!! and no i'm not counting on usair to save us.

<_< ------ Ahhh! Refeshing! A person of reason in the group!!!

 

[cf6mech]

Whatever we vote on as far as the bend over TWU will make little difference in the survivability of this Airline...... the pilots union and flight attendents have pretty much drawn a line in the sand and are not budging one iota.......they will shut this Airline down before accepting anything close to what management wants.......are only hope is a buy out by USAIR. Meaning what ever is agreed upon or imposed by a judge.......unless USAIR management takes over there is no way productivity will work with a doubled up concessionary contract with the present management team. TWU contract or not.

 

[Birdman]

I know this much, if vote "yes" on whatever the terms are, we would at least KNOW what is coming, as opposed to voting "no" and having the judge reject our contracts. At that point AA can do WHATEVER they want to and we have no say, none.

Read closely, there will be no surprises.
The company may implement only those proposals made during the 1113 negotiations - it cannot make changes outside of those proposals.

 

[High Speed Steel]

Read closely, there will be no surprises.
The company may implement only those proposals made during the 1113 negotiations - it cannot make changes outside of those proposals.

I believe your wrong. After the terms are imposed the company can go back and amend what they wish, when they wish, without any discussion with the Union and have to answer to no one.

 

[CMH_GSE]

Read closely, there will be no surprises.
The company may implement only those proposals made during the 1113 negotiations - it cannot make changes outside of those proposals.

OK then, thanks Birdman, I stand corrected.
That being the case, what we are voting on is the same thing they will impliment, so why even have a vote?

 

[TWU informer]

I believe your wrong. After the terms are imposed the company can go back and amend what they wish, when they wish, without any discussion with the Union and have to answer to no one.

What do you base your "belief" on this time?
Do you have some documented proof of this claim?
Or do you once again believe what the fear mongers have told you?

What would be the prupose of the initial term sheet having to be filed with the court if your claim is correct?

The 1113 process is to work towards and obtain concensual agreement, not make the likelyhood of a successful restructuring impossible.

Oh great now I see the TWU has uploaded a video on them once again protesting with signs, slogans, and t-shirts.
Taking the same action, over and over, expecting a different result is insanity at best.
How many protest have these clowns conducted? What has been the result? Why continue to expose your ingnorance?
All we need now is another on-line petition to send to Judge Lane and then we will have the full gammit of TWU action.

Every media outlet in the country used the number 300 participants.
TWU claims over 1000 ..... Laughable
James C. Little screams are so funny I about pissed my pants watching.
He fails to mentioned he signed the current agremeent "Without Further Ratification"
This clip must be saved for the near future.

 

[enough already]

Tweet from reporter in the courtroom:
@JasonWhitely: @TWULocal514 Language is being prepared for the vote next wk, I'm told. Tally expected before unions present their sides on May 14. #aawfaa

 

[TWU informer]

Watch the Unelected and Appointed TWU Puppet Master Scream for yourselves

The Puppet Master

Hey James C. Little, grow a set on organize something really worthwhile, like a nationwide shutdown and risk your own butt being thrown in jail.

Stand up for once and show us you are not a coward.
Otherwise, "SHAME ON YOU"!

 

[FWAAA]

I believe your wrong. After the terms are imposed the company can go back and amend what they wish, when they wish, without any discussion with the Union and have to answer to no one.

I believe that you are completely incorrect.

 

[Buck]

What do you base your "belief" on this time?
Do you have some documented proof of this claim?
Or do you once again believe what the fear mongers have told you?

What would be the prupose of the initial term sheet having to be filed with the court if your claim is correct?

The 1113 process is to work towards and obtain concensual agreement, not make the likelyhood of a successful restructuring impossible.

Oh great now I see the TWU has uploaded a video on them once again protesting with signs, slogans, and t-shirts.
Taking the same action, over and over, expecting a different result is insanity at best.
How many protest have these clowns conducted? What has been the result? Why continue to expose your ingnorance?
All we need now is another on-line petition to send to Judge Lane and then we will have the full gammit of TWU action.

Every media outlet in the country used the number 300 participants.
TWU claims over 1000 ..... Laughable
James C. Little screams are so funny I about pissed my pants watching.
He fails to mentioned he signed the current agremeent "Without Further Ratification"
This clip must be saved for the near future.

The Local 514 website states "nearly" 1000.

How many TWU members were available for the NY show. How many from all the other International divisions showed up. How many members took vacations to take part in the rally.

 

[High Speed Steel]

What do you base your "belief" on this time?
Do you have some documented proof of this claim?
Or do you once again believe what the fear mongers have told you?

What would be the prupose of the initial term sheet having to be filed with the court if your claim is correct?

The 1113 process is to work towards and obtain concensual agreement, not make the likelyhood of a successful restructuring impossible.

Oh great now I see the TWU has uploaded a video on them once again protesting with signs, slogans, and t-shirts.
Taking the same action, over and over, expecting a different result is insanity at best.
How many protest have these clowns conducted? What has been the result? Why continue to expose your ingnorance?
All we need now is another on-line petition to send to Judge Lane and then we will have the full gammit of TWU action.

Every media outlet in the country used the number 300 participants.
TWU claims over 1000 ..... Laughable
James C. Little screams are so funny I about pissed my pants watching.
He fails to mentioned he signed the current agremeent "Without Further Ratification"
This clip must be saved for the near future.

Once the basic terms have been imposed by the company they can amend what they wish, when they wish, and answer to know one as long as they stay within the parameters of the basic terms they had presented before the judge. So yeah, they will really be able to show you what they can do brother!!!

 

[Ed Norton]

I think the TWU Local 100 rat needs to make an appearance!

 

[Ed Norton]

Another view of the TWU Rat. Or should it be RAAT?

 

[Boomer]

Once the basic terms have been imposed by the company they can amend what they wish, when they wish, and answer to know one as long as they stay within the parameters of the basic terms they had presented before the judge. So yeah, they will really be able to show you what they can do brother!!!

Please cite your legal references for your position.

AFAIK, any change in the terms of the CBA imposed under Sect. 1113 of the BK code that affect the pay, hours of work and working conditions require that another Sect. 1113 Court hearing be requested by the company and also require that the new conditions are required for a successful reorganization IAW the filing of BK under the appropriate bankruptcy code.

From what I have read, and from my discussions with attorney's experienced in this particular corner of law: since the unions covered by RLA contracts are under both RLA Sct. 6 Negotiations AND BK Code Sect. 1113 negotiations; the only way that we are locked into anything is if we choose to ratify any CBA.

In other words, refusing to ratify any agreement leaves us in RLA sanctioned Section 6 Negotiations despite the ability of the company to impose the terms under their "last, best final offer," under Section 1113 of the Bankruptcy Code.

Given that all of the Unions at AA have tentatively agreed to new CBAs' with US Airways Mgmt. that are better than the ones offered by AMR under their term sheets: why would you buy the current "ASK,' from AMR when a better offer is on the horizon from a Union you profess to trust?

On another note, why will the TWU not also send out the tentative CBA reached with US Airways at the same time they send out the "last, best final offer," from AMR so that we can compare them prior to voting?

I do not support the TWU in any way shape or form while you support the TWU: why don't they give us the information to make decisions to support the position they have publically stated?