TWU negotiations.........what?

[787nightmare]

Unless the two parties can reach an agreement. Like dollars for jobs...

And this too...

 

[Overspeed]

Nice deflection from the meat of my post. The mission of teAAm overspeed from 6/28/11 has been to harass, intimidate, and censor Bob Owens, who was informing the membership well beyond the internAAtionals comfort level. BTW, we don't have to worry about the internAAtional making Bob type claims as they are suffering from a chronic case of impotence.

Pointing out that Bob said one thing an quite the other happened is not harassing and intimidating a person but maybe you are feeling a bit sensitive now given your hero has been debunked.

Not getting it your way and then posting all your strategies and theories helps none of us but does help the company. I am sure they love reading about how dysfunctional the negotiating committee is because Bob is "informing" the membership. Isn't revealing the internal business of the union a chargeable offense in most unions? Not saying it should be a secret society however telegraphing your punches is a quick way to get your butt knocked out which is kind of like what is happening to us now in BK.

 

[Mr Red]

Pointing out that Bob said one thing an quite the other happened is not harassing and intimidating a person but maybe you are feeling a bit sensitive now given your hero has been debunked.

Not getting it your way and then posting all your strategies and theories helps none of us but does help the company. I am sure they love reading about how dysfunctional the negotiating committee is because Bob is "informing" the membership. Isn't revealing the internal business of the union a chargeable offense in most unions? Not saying it should be a secret society however telegraphing your punches is a quick way to get your butt knocked out which is kind of like what is happening to us now in BK.

I bet it chaps the Internationals ASS that they just can't get rid of Bob.Just keeps coming back stronger than ever !
And to top it off all their yes boys are BOOTED !

 

[odie01]

I bet it chaps the Internationals ASS that they just can't get rid of Bob.Just keeps coming back stronger than ever !
And to top it off all their yes boys are BOOTED !

And Overspeed's ass too! :blink:

 

[Overspeed]

I bet it chaps the Internationals ASS that they just can't get rid of Bob.Just keeps coming back stronger than ever !
And to top it off all their yes boys are BOOTED !

Nope, not at all. Might bother the 4,300 that will be losing their jobs after BK is done. Bob still has a job though so I am cool with it.

So irritating people is your priority? That's really going to get you what you want. I wonder how good irritating the BK judge will work. You guys are awesome, call losing jobs and moving to number 8 in pay as a win.

I can't wait until Bob comes back better than ever with his goal of liquidation. You picked a winner alright!

And while the "yes" boys got "booted" now AMR is "booting" 4,300. I wonder how many were no voters.

 

[DNTULSA]

Ahh Overspeed;

What a rare treasure you are! (not)

 

[Birdman]

Pointing out that Bob said one thing an quite the other happened.....

1113
II. PRE-PETITION NEGOTIATIONS:
...TWU decided to make changes in areas as pay,holidays, vacant, sick time, and overtime, where the Union presumably, and understandably, assumed it would later be able to negotiate a restoration of these concessions when the airline retuned to " normalcy." Now, however, it has become clear that day will never come.

You have conveniently overlooked this colossal miscalculation.

Not getting it your way and then posting all your strategies and theories helps none of us but does help the company. I am sure they love reading about how dysfunctional the negotiating committee is because Bob is "informing" the membership. Isn't revealing the internal business of the union a chargeable offense in most unions? Not saying it should be a secret society however telegraphing your punches is a quick way to get your butt knocked out which is kind of like what is happening to us now in BK.

Just how does AMFA ever manage with all those "non-secret" negotiations?

I bet it chaps the Internationals ASS that they just can't get rid of Bob.Just keeps coming back stronger than ever !
And to top it off all their yes boys are BOOTED !

The TWU just can't cope with the "will of the membership". That's why they formed the "department of overspeed".

 

[strikeforce]

Pointing out that Bob said one thing an quite the other happened is not harassing and intimidating a person but maybe you are feeling a bit sensitive now given your hero has been debunked.

Not getting it your way and then posting all your strategies and theories helps none of us but does help the company. I am sure they love reading about how dysfunctional the negotiating committee is because Bob is "informing" the membership. Isn't revealing the internal business of the union a chargeable offense in most unions? Not saying it should be a secret society however telegraphing your punches is a quick way to get your butt knocked out which is kind of like what is happening to us now in BK.

It is a secret society!

We got our butts kicked in 2003, and the knock out punch is coming April 23rd!

are you against revealing how dysfunctional the negotiating committee really is????? Or how screwed up the INTL is???? It should be a chargeable offense for allowing union members to act as supervisors and save the airline on the enemies' turf.

 

[Buck]

I bet it chaps the Internationals ASS that they just can't get rid of Bob.Just keeps coming back stronger than ever !
And to top it off all their yes boys are BOOTED !

If Bob Owens continues to be "abrasive" towards those running the ATD of the TWU International, he will most likely feel their wrath.

 

[Overspeed]

1113
II. PRE-PETITION NEGOTIATIONS:
...TWU decided to make changes in areas as pay,holidays, vacant, sick time, and overtime, where the Union presumably, and understandably, assumed it would later be able to negotiate a restoration of these concessions when the airline retuned to " normalcy." Now, however, it has become clear that day will never come.

You have conveniently overlooked this colossal miscalculation.



Just how does AMFA ever manage with all those "non-secret" negotiations?


The TWU just can't cope with the "will of the membership". That's why they formed the "department of overspeed".

First thing, you are quoting AMR's BK petition as a gotcha? Okay, I thought the company lies. I guess not when you are cherry picking facts.

You had a partial restoration of pay and some benefits but that was voted down so now you have less than the TA. So like I said, Bob was shooting too high and got shot down instead but he used the jobs of 4,300 members to cushion his fall from the martyrdom pedestal.

You know I don't know how AMFA does negotiate away all of Alaska's OAK overhaul base, UAL's airframe overhaul, and all but 800 NW airline mechanic jobs in non-secret negotiations. I just don't know how those clever guys do it.

I guess it is hard for the TWU to understand why a group would vote down what was probably the best possible deal in July 2010 just so they could go to BK and lose 4,300 jobs and be number 8 in pay.

 

[TWU informer]

TWU - We all know the "DEAL" is done.
Why must you play games and attempt to manipulate the outcome at very turn?

Let us vote with enough time to study the facts and make our decisions.

Waiting until the last minute to emergency force feed us might lead to ratification, but you will lose your membership.

Your choice!

 

[enough already]

TWU - We all know the "DEAL" is done.
Why must you play games and attempt to manipulate the outcome at very turn?

Let us vote with enough time to study the facts and make our decisions.

Waiting until the last minute to emergency force feed us might lead to ratification, but you will lose your membership.

Your choice!

No, no, no!! "TWU's professional team of economic analysists, attorneys and International representatives are in New York reviewing company documents and preparing for our presentation before the bankruptcy judge."

http://twubkfacts.org/home/tabid/1494/ctl/detail/mid/3063/itemid/392/amr-bankruptcy-updates-for-april-10%2c-2012.

They're fighting like hell for us!

 

[Birdman]

First thing, you are quoting AMR's BK petition as a gotcha? Okay, I thought the company lies. I guess not when you are cherry picking facts.

Specifically, which part is the lie?

You had a partial restoration of pay and some benefits but that was voted down so now you have less than the TA.

What part of the concessions in the t/a that 2/3rds of the membership rejected do you(all) not understand?

So like I said, Bob was shooting too high and got shot down instead but he used the jobs of 4,300 members to cushion his fall from the martyrdom pedestal.

You(all) really should seek therapy for this Bob obsession. BTW, wasn't it you(all) that said on 7/2/11, "It's not Bob's call and he is a part of committee that reports to a larger committee that has the final say"? Sorry, cherry picking facts again.

You know I don't know how AMFA does negotiate away all of Alaska's OAK overhaul base (not negotiated,"Alaska representatives broke the news to Oakland mechanics in an early afternoon meeting in the base's break room, said Earl Clark, one of the technicians and an officer with the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association. The company, he said, gave no warning that the base would be shut down."), UAL's airframe overhaul, and all but 800 (scabs) NW airline mechanic jobs in non-secret negotiations. I just don't know how those clever guys do it.

Your (all of you) getting very skilled at these deflection techniques. We all know the TWU could never survive in an "open negotiatons" arena.

I guess it is hard for the TWU to understand why a group would vote down what was probably the best possible deal in July 2010 just so they could go to BK and lose 4,300 jobs and be number 8 in pay.

Again, there was no forward looking information on the 2010 ballot to inform those voting that negotiations would drag out for over 15 months after rejection. We "probably" would have voted differently.

 

[AA-MRO.COM]

First thing, you are quoting AMR's BK petition as a gotcha? Okay, I thought the company lies. I guess not when you are cherry picking facts.

You had a partial restoration of pay and some benefits but that was voted down so now you have less than the TA. So like I said, Bob was shooting too high and got shot down instead but he used the jobs of 4,300 members to cushion his fall from the martyrdom pedestal.

You know I don't know how AMFA does negotiate away all of Alaska's OAK overhaul base, UAL's airframe overhaul, and all but 800 NW airline mechanic jobs in non-secret negotiations. I just don't know how those clever guys do it.

I guess it is hard for the TWU to understand why a group would vote down what was probably the best possible deal in July 2010 just so they could go to BK and lose 4,300 jobs and be number 8 in pay.

The partial restoration of pay and some benefits was voted down by the majority not by Bob Owens. What will you do when the 4300 jobs are gone and you really have no say in your future.
You should know that the AMFA negotiates superior rates of pay at the airlines they represent? Its too bad they dont represent us because we are at the bottom in pay and benefits.
You must be a twu rep I have been hearing that slogan for 20 years " what was probably the best possible deal in July 2010" the only thing you left out was "well get em next time" Better get a bigger soap box and lead us down the right path Im still not convinced...
But keep blaming Bob for all of the twu failures and I just might start to believe you.
20 years of concessions and you blame Owens where were you all this time and what is your plan other than vote YES

 

[Hopeful]

But keep blaming Bob for all of the twu failures and I just might start to believe you.
20 years of concessions and you blame Owens where were you all this time and what is your plan other than vote YES

It's amazing, isn't it? One local president shot down the whole T/A and caused AA to go BK.....

What's really bothering the Owens' bashers is that for the first time in decades, the company has decided to change the rules by which the TWU plays and lives by...
Unfortunately, approximately 4300 jobs will be gone. All the speculation about trading money for jobs is just that....speculation....
If the company were cool to having everyone sacrifice more money in exchange for jobs, it would've been a done deal by now...

People need to understand this very basic fundamental...The company wants to operate and do what every other major carrier did in bankruptcy!