TWU negotiations.........what?

[Bob Owens]

Yes it does. You are now on par with Sarah Palin. "I can see Wall Street from my house that is why you should listen to me."

i see you dont want to debate the issue of the roll call vote. Why is that?

 

[Bob Owens]

American has no choice but to get it's maintenace budget leveled with it's competition. Or this BK will be squandered(in this respect-other debt, contractual issues will be achieved). Now, how they(and the TWU)go about that is the question.
I strongly suspect the TWU(as do most of you)will wiggle & squirm in front of the company(and creditors/Judge Lane)to preserve as many heads as possible-to go into damage control mode to preserve there cash cow. Hence the expansion of OSMs working the docks, in leui of AMTs. Although IMO, that's a dicey proposition for maintaining aircraft on the dock. Some will pick it up, some shouldn't even be allowed to touch an aircraft(kinda like now)...

i believe AAs plan is to force current AMTs to OSM rates, sure they will attrit out but I think they hope to get A&Ps out of school to backfill. Some will upgrade to AMT right there at the base while others will migrate to the line.

Management made their objectives clear back in May of 2010, they want to pay their line mechanics the bottom of the industry but only by around $1/hr (and less sick, vaction, Holidays etc)(of course they would claim they are paying a "competative wage" but that would only be on paper, most of us would be making at least $1/hr lees than our peers. and pay their base guys a wge that consistant with what MROs paid. This would not make AA competeative, it would restore the huge advantage AA has had since 1995 when they started replacing AMTs with SRPs.

 

[1AA]

i believe AAs plan is to force current AMTs to OSM rates, sure they will attrit out but I think they hope to get A&Ps out of school to backfill. Some will upgrade to AMT right there at the base while others will migrate to the line.

Management made their objectives clear back in May of 2010, they want to pay their line mechanics the bottom of the industry but only by around $1/hr (and less sick, vaction, Holidays etc)(of course they would claim they are paying a "competative wage" but that would only be on paper, most of us would be making at least $1/hr lees than our peers. and pay their base guys a wge that consistant with what MROs paid. This would not make AA competeative, it would restore the huge advantage AA has had since 1995 when they started replacing AMTs with SRPs.

This is why I say take it to the judge to decide. Can the judge do worse than the TWU? Nobody wants to stoop down to the TWU's pathetic level.

 

[Hopeful]

This is why I say take it to the judge to decide. Can the judge do worse than the TWU? Nobody wants to stoop down to the TWU's pathetic level.

The judge will not dictate terms of the contracts. He will only rule whether or not to abrogate!
If he chooses to abrogate, the company is free to impose ONLY what's on the table...The Term Sheets!

Then again, the judge may deny the request!

 

[Buck]

i believe AAs plan is to force current AMTs to OSM rates, sure they will attrit out but I think they hope to get A&Ps out of school to backfill. Some will upgrade to AMT right there at the base while others will migrate to the line.

Management made their objectives clear back in May of 2010, they want to pay their line mechanics the bottom of the industry but only by around $1/hr (and less sick, vaction, Holidays etc)(of course they would claim they are paying a "competative wage" but that would only be on paper, most of us would be making at least $1/hr lees than our peers. and pay their base guys a wge that consistant with what MROs paid. This would not make AA competeative, it would restore the huge advantage AA has had since 1995 when they started replacing AMTs with SRPs.

AAs plan is to force current AMTs to OSM rates, sure they will attrit out but I think they hope to get A&Ps out of school to backfill. Some will upgrade to AMT right there at the base while others will migrate to the line.

This would be a good plan. Let me see. Start at about $11.45 an hour, do this for about 15 months then go to the mechanics scale at $27.57 per hour. Then after another 15 or so months gain license premium of about $8.06 per license.

 

[cf6mech]

The judge will not dictate terms of the contracts. He will only rule whether or not to abrogate!
If he chooses to abrogate, the company is free to impose ONLY what's on the table...The Term Sheets!

Then again, the judge may deny the request!

Very simple if the term sheet is enacted you might as well liquidate,....those left will only stay long enough to find another job and or retire.....Its no where near a decent wage for services rendered.....AA should know that,.... I have a hard time believing that they don't.

 

[TWU informer]

The "Deal" is already done. Just a little more fear mongering with some WARN letters and a little closer to Judge ruling deadline and you will then get an emergency vote on the "DEAL". Not Full language for 30 days, but a vote on bullet points.

Haven't you guys been represented by the TWU long enough to also predict their next moves?

 

[Overspeed]

i see you dont want to debate the issue of the roll call vote. Why is that?

Sorry, in all the banter i must have missed that. Not avoiding it. The Roll Call vote is what it is, you knew that when you got there. Are you back to complaining about how you don't like the rules of the committee. Blaming something else again Bob? You want it your way and its not happening so you complain about how you dislike the the type of democracy. You want Bob's democracy but unfortunately that is not where you are at.

Besides, roll call or not, we are in BK (you know, the one that was a threat) and we are not getting much of any choices. Bob, type away but the fact remains that almost all you have said would not happen has. We are in BK, we are going to get worse than the TA, and work is going to get outsourced. Game over Bob, game over.

 

[Overspeed]

The judge will not dictate terms of the contracts. He will only rule whether or not to abrogate!
If he chooses to abrogate, the company is free to impose ONLY what's on the table...The Term Sheets!

Then again, the judge may deny the request!

And the term sheets say outsource not move AMTs to OSM rates.

Judge deny the request? I wish but not likely.

 

[Overspeed]

There's only one reason why teAAm-overspeed would not direct equal venom towards the internAAtional, who has not only evaded equal suffering, but has prospered abundantly since our demise.

I haven't read anything from any Int'l reps making Bob-type claims. If I do I will.

 

[Hopeful]

And the term sheets say outsource not move AMTs to OSM rates.

Judge deny the request? I wish but not likely.

No, but the company's proposal includes moving 450 AMTS to OSM.........After the reductions.

 

[Birdman]

I haven't read anything from any Int'l reps making Bob-type claims. If I do I will.

Nice deflection from the meat of my post. The mission of teAAm overspeed from 6/28/11 has been to harass, intimidate, and censor Bob Owens, who was informing the membership well beyond the internAAtionals comfort level. BTW, we don't have to worry about the internAAtional making Bob type claims as they are suffering from a chronic case of impotence.

 

[787nightmare]

The "Deal" is already done. Just a little more fear mongering with some WARN letters and a little closer to Judge ruling deadline and you will then get an emergency vote on the "DEAL". Not Full language for 30 days, but a vote on bullet points.

Haven't you guys been represented by the TWU long enough to also predict their next moves?

I'm afraid this is the truth....

 

[Buck]

And the term sheets say outsource not move AMTs to OSM rates.

Judge deny the request? I wish but not likely.

Unless the two parties can reach an agreement. Like dollars for jobs...

 

[Overspeed]

No, but the company's proposal includes moving 450 AMTS to OSM.........After the reductions.

That's true. The outcome will be sad either way. The base is taking the biggest hit.