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Bob,
What exactly is the proposal that users are clamoring about that has now saved thousands of jobs in Tulsa?
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TWU negotiations.........what?
- Thread starter Chuck Schalk
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Bob,
What exactly is the proposal that users are clamoring about that has now saved thousands of jobs in Tulsa?
Sometimes they send field trips to places like JFK simply to cause ill will. If its a trip to a place that has maintenence you guys should refuse it, how would you like it if we went to Tulsa to work your OT? Sure theres some specialized work that we may not have the tooling or training, like replacing compressor blades or heavy structural damage but anything else like 777 engine changes and scab patches we can handle and when guys come in to do work we can they are not warmly welcomed.
I dont know, the line guys are working line issues and the base guys are working base issues. Like I said I dont think that the company is prepared or really wants to outsource as much as they claim.
Apparently Tulsa has provided AA a very favorable deal to keep jobs, my guess is some wortk will go out but not as much as in the ask. The ask was far reaching, the numbers they were looking at would put our ratio below that of UAL, with our older fleet and the fact that "capacity is tight" in the MRO market for the equipment AA has like I said I think the company is looking for what delta has, the ability to do as they please and use that ability to drive up productivity. Then they will use the "We saved jobs" as the excuse to rape us every where else, again.
We often hear from people like Overspeed that AA's competitors dont have any OH but thats simply not true, UAL and Delta are both bringing more work back in house, USAIR and SWA both do OH as well but to a limited degree. SWA has a fleet of the most common aircraft in existance , longstanding relationships with many vendors and also does work in house. This allows them to get the best price from MROs making moving all the work in house less cost effective. AA has no such relationship, MROs arent going to risk alienating customers like SWA to get AA as a customer. Sure they will do what ever they can squeeze in but AA will pay a premium .
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Wrong....It's been business as usual. Bankruptcy has had no effects on your wages, the company was allowed to maintain employee wages with no interruption...
So you would have had it, but blew it....
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Thats just pure assinine arrogance. Some of these damned carreris need to be SHUT DOWN and just walk out.
And I'm not talking about a meager $2.00/hr geo rate(HSS/O/speed).......like I said, at least $10/hr!
Anyone that has an issue with that, is being defiant or hasn't lived in an expensive large city-or both.
Trust me, it's not going to make the mechs wealthy...
45/hr in JFK, ORD, LAX or SEA(prob least of these sta) ain't that much money guys. Get by, but it doesn't provide the buying power a mech has in TUL or DFW.
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Move somewhere, it does not have to be Tulsa. Until you guys force the company to adjust your pay, it is not going to happen. When the RIF comes take advantage of it and come out of the Labor past and join the future. All I hear is how bad it is in the major cities, but I hear no solutions. Sounds like you need to give up Aviation even if you are older, the way I understand the postings from NY is there are plenty of jobs making more than AA pays.
I am going to ask again, will a OSM be able to go on a Field Trip?
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It is interesting that their pay and their living standard is not bad enough for them to quit and go elsewhere for employment. Or that they to have work two jobs, yet the other job must not pay enough either. Based on that I deduce that there is nothing better in NY for them, but they want us to subsidize them a payraise out of sympathy. Or maybe now that they do not accrue anymore pension amount, then they will leave.
I have heard Bob and others talk about co-workers leaving and doing much better after AA, but yet they are still here complaining.
Logic says something is not adding up here. I tend to believe it all started as a Local Officer Election campaign issue and caught on from there. Otherwise more would be leaving by now. Just like there was a $2.55 line premium for them and they mustered up a vote no video and campaign against the raise. Must not be as bad as they claim if they would be so hard core against a $2.55 per hour raise. If I was as desperate for income as they claim, no way in hell would I have voted NO. I keep watching the Vote NO video trying to understand what happened. All I find is that not one single complaint raised in the video has been corrected, and in fact instead it has gotten them much worse off.
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Maybe it's an April Fools joke claiming they are getting GEO pay out of the kindness of management's heart.
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Could it be that NY is picking up the GEO Pay tab and the line in NY just wants more from the company?
In 1988 I jumped in feet first in persuite of a career that those in the industry and outside of aviation identified as a one of integrety,Aircraft Mechanic. My investment at the time to make myself the most qualified was $14K+ for A&P licenses plus I obtained my FCC license also to give myself the most opportunity. I recognize the good fortune you fellas have to work in the industry with a skill necessary to make a living but the qualifications still do not equate. Little did I know back then that my leap would also have a ball and chain tethered to by leg to take me down.
