TWU negotiations.........what?

[Bob Owens]

If it were that clear, AMFA and TEAMSTERS at SWA would not be fighting about integration

The "rule of law" is rarely clear. It sways to the highest bidder.

 

[TWU informer]

The "rule of law" is rarely clear. It sways to the highest bidder.

Only until we out number them in the streets instead of playing the game of who has the most money against the rich.

 

[Hopeful]

Wrong! Allegheny-Mohawk is still the rule of law. And it wasn't the TWU who determined the seniority integration, it was a man named KASHER!
And they weren't stapled for the most part...does 25% ring a bell with you?

KASHER made the decision, NOT the TWU!


Correction is warranted here:

The TWU and the IAM met the month before they met with Kasher and worked it all out. How do you think kasher came up with the formula? Do you think he did?

To answer both your posts.....
First, the reason the TWU deferred to ALLEGHENY-MOHAWK was because the contract specifically said Allegheny Mohawk was to be used in the even AA merged, took-over or was taken over by another carrier in the event the seniority issue could not be agreed to. That's the only reason. they had no choice because they inserted that language in a prior contract.

As for the 25% formula...yes I believe it was Kasher's brain child, and if you ask me, was quite radical. To calculate one carriers' size and revenue miles compared to the other's, THEN base a seniority forumula which was also based on locations, was pretty unique and never done before. Who knows if this could be the new benchmark....

Of course the TWU met with the IAM, that was to be expected. Since AA purchased TWA with a slick condition they file Chapter 11, the integration issue was so explosive.
Even Delta integrated the NWA seniority lists fairly because it was a merger..Unlike what DL did to the PanAm people because that was a buyout.

 

[TWU informer]

Satire

I believe everything I am told by my Union.

I question nothing!

 

[Buck]

Didn't some of the pro TWU, in the struggle to keep AMFA out end up as company employees? I believe the Kevin Hammack is a manager of Compliance today.

 

[TWU informer]

Didn't some of the pro TWU, in the struggle to keep AMFA out end up as company employees? I believe the Kevin Hammack is a manager of Compliance today.

You are either suffering from severe memory loss, or you actually know the answers to many of these questions you ask here.

 

[Buck]

You are either suffering from severe memory loss, or you actually know the answers to many of these questions you ask here.

Believe it or not, you are correct, I am suffering from some memory loss in almost all categories. If you like to know more ask. As for Kevin Hammack, I speak with a supervisor under him almost daily.

 

[TulsaTurd]

Wrong! Allegheny-Mohawk is still the rule of law. And it wasn't the TWU who determined the seniority integration, it was a man named KASHER!
And they weren't stapled for the most part...does 25% ring a bell with you?

KASHER made the decision, NOT the TWU!

In the event of a USAIR merger, once again ALLEGHENY MOHAWK would determine a fair and equitable integration. If the arbitrator uses the Kasher formula,
AAers would get a greater percent of seniority than the USAIRer....

Funny thing though, the native TWAers are already singing and dancing around the hangar that the IAM will give them their full seniority back in the event of a merger... I would say looking at the master seniority list, they will be singing and danicing somewhere else because layoffs will take place loooooooong before any merger!

The not so funny thing is you want to quote union rules of law when it concerns you, but you wish ill will on your union brothers (native TWAers as you call them). What kind of selfish #### are you ? Karma is a #### and that crow won't taste to good when your turn in the barrel comes here soon.

 

[dfw gen]

Rumor is company filed 1113c this afternoon....

 

[enough already]

Rumor is company filed 1113c this afternoon....

Yep
http://twubkfacts.org/home/tabid/1494/ctl/detail/mid/3063/itemid/375/amr-bankruptcy-–-breaking-news-march-27%2c-2012.aspx

 

[Overspeed]

Yep
http://twubkfacts.org/home/tabid/1494/ctl/detail/mid/3063/itemid/375/amr-bankruptcy-–-breaking-news-march-27%2c-2012.aspx

Now we get to see Owens in action with the judge! This will be more significant than the current healthcare case. I expect to hear the most dazzling legal, financial, and labor arguments ever! Prepare to be shock and awe'd!!!

 

[Overspeed]

To answer both your posts.....
First, the reason the TWU deferred to ALLEGHENY-MOHAWK was because the contract specifically said Allegheny Mohawk was to be used in the even AA merged, took-over or was taken over by another carrier in the event the seniority issue could not be agreed to. That's the only reason. they had no choice because they inserted that language in a prior contract.

As for the 25% formula...yes I believe it was Kasher's brain child, and if you ask me, was quite radical. To calculate one carriers' size and revenue miles compared to the other's, THEN base a seniority forumula which was also based on locations, was pretty unique and never done before. Who knows if this could be the new benchmark....

Of course the TWU met with the IAM, that was to be expected. Since AA purchased TWA with a slick condition they file Chapter 11, the integration issue was so explosive.
Even Delta integrated the NWA seniority lists fairly because it was a merger..Unlike what DL did to the PanAm people because that was a buyout.

Didn't the Kasher decision set a precedent for what happens under the AA/TWU integration language? If that's the case will ASMs be used as the basis for determining seniority if it happens?

 

[paul1]

Now we get to see Owens in action with the judge! This will be more significant than the current healthcare case. I expect to hear the most dazzling legal, financial, and labor arguments ever! Prepare to be shock and awe'd!!!

Owens most likely willn't even be in the same room with the judge! He will be here typing away about retro and all the other B.S.

The twu stay informed. what b.s.

 

[TWU informer]

Now we get to see Owens in action with the judge! This will be more significant than the current healthcare case. I expect to hear the most dazzling legal, financial, and labor arguments ever! Prepare to be shock and awe'd!!!

Sure Owens' played his part in getting us here, as well others I watched.

But now it is ALL James C. Little and his "fight like hell" attitude along with his DNC Lawyers using his powerful AFL-CIO and Poltiical Influence that has been claimed second to none.

No more blaming Owens' for what happens from here on out.

ALL TWU Baby!

Is there a Plan? Who has a Plan?

 

[mike7863]

Wrong! Allegheny-Mohawk is still the rule of law. And it wasn't the TWU who determined the seniority integration, it was a man named KASHER!
And they weren't stapled for the most part...does 25% ring a bell with you?

KASHER made the decision, NOT the TWU!

In the event of a USAIR merger, once again ALLEGHENY MOHAWK would determine a fair and equitable integration. If the arbitrator uses the Kasher formula,
AAers would get a greater percent of seniority than the USAIRer....

Funny thing though, the native TWAers are already singing and dancing around the hangar that the IAM will give them their full seniority back in the event of a merger... I would say looking at the master seniority list, they will be singing and danicing somewhere else because layoffs will take place loooooooong before any merger!

yea kasher made the decision because twu wanted to staple twa employees to the bottom and couldnt come to a agreement with the iam so it went to arbiirtration. yea the the twa guys in the hangar are probly going to be gone before anything happens but so will a bunch of aa guys. and the twa guys will still have recall back to st. louis. the aa guys will have recall to a closed down station.