TWU negotiations.........what?

[TWU informer]

Ok where do you draw the line. Insubordination or having the walk if the Tech C/C refuses and gets walked out. Please tell me the union is going to back someone who pays them for representation.

ROFL

All this tough talk.

 

[strikeforce]

Ok where do you draw the line. Insubordination or having the walk if the Tech C/C refuses and gets walked out. Please tell me the union is going to back someone who pays them for representation.

it is NOT insubordination for refusing a field trip or OT!

The union needs to draw a line in the sand. Buck, management has decided that YOU are too expensive for the operation, and that MRO's are the solution. I say, fine, but when things go sour, I'm NOT going to bail you out AA! WE don't need the INTL in order to stick together, WE need our local presidents.....Bob Owens, McCormick, Ruiz, Cirri, Pike, Rojas, Peterson, and others to get on the same page, and tell management that WE will not bail them out! plain & simple!

AA will eventually find out how "valueable" their mechanics really are when airplanes sit for days in timbuck too, contractors don't have a clue, and parts sit for days waiting on customs to clear them. It's happening right now, but our mechanics bailout AA everytime.

 

[Buck]

it is NOT insubordination for refusing a field trip or OT!

The union needs to draw a line in the sand. Buck, management has decided that YOU are too expensive for the operation, and that MRO's are the solution. I say, fine, but when things go sour, I'm NOT going to bail you out AA! WE don't need the INTL in order to stick together, WE need our local presidents.....Bob Owens, McCormick, Ruiz, Cirri, Pike, Rojas, Peterson, and others to get on the same page, and tell management that WE will not bail them out! plain & simple!

AA will eventually find out how "valueable" their mechanics really are when airplanes sit for days in timbuck too, contractors don't have a clue, and parts sit for days waiting on customs to clear them. It's happening right now, but our mechanics bailout AA everytime.

Ok since the parameters of insubordination have been established, could someone show me how it works. With the winds of bankruptcy a blowin, I am not going to test them. I got basically 3 CR-1's in the two weeks for doing my job. Supervisor is just pissed and I am his target.

Maybe the Tech C/C should test the issue and the union that is obligating the company with their blessing will ensure the mechanic and his family are wondering what just happened.

 

[strikeforce]

Ok since the parameters of insubordination have been established, could someone show me how it works. With the winds of bankruptcy a blowin, I am not going to test them. I got basically 3 CR-1's in the two weeks for doing my job. Supervisor is just pissed and I am his target.

Maybe the Tech C/C should test the issue and the union that is obligating the company with their blessing will ensure the mechanic and his family are wondering what just happened.

dude, what in the hell are you talking about???

you are one strange dude, Buck!

 

[MCI transplant]

Thank you professor for that interesting but inaccurate lecture on How Bob See's the World.

You are ignoring the fact the FAR's dictate the minimum requirements for working on aircraft. All the applicants need are an A&P and a 40 hour course regardless of what you think. AA under the "ask" will move to have the judge allow them to outsource up 40% of all maintenance spend including on the line. Didn't they "ask" to outsource the line Bob? They could offload the JFK work down to a gas and go and outsource many of the checks to a third party station somewhere low cost couldn't they under that new language. Again, you have been outmaneuvered before you even thought of it. So some may move but others may not have too. You would know this if you actually read and understood the term sheet instead of just complained about it.

It's not the members fault, it's the leaders and you are one of them. You write on blog about your strategies, manifestos, and break with the organization. You undermine the ability to have any kind of solidarity. If you can't work within the framework to change or make the existing one better than you should leave and advocate for another. Instead you fence ride and complain.

Never 100%, you have a group that is angry but not enough to risk their jobs and you are talking just one airline. The other guys would love to see your burn it down approach work. The competitors would soak up the pieces and the other union AMTs would see new employees get added to the seniority lists AFTER their own people get recalled. If that happens, we will be all going to Disneyland...for a job.

<_< ------ Don't knock it! Disneyland probably pays than AA anyway! :unsure:

 

[Overspeed]

<_< ------ Don't knock it! Disneyland probably pays than AA anyway! :unsure:

Oh they do. Amusement parks actually love AMTs. I heard you gotta bust ass working for Disney. No watching TV, cards, slapping bones, or watching DVDs over there. Kick ass benefits though.

 

[odie01]

Oh they do. Amusement parks actually love AMTs. I heard you gotta bust ass working for Disney. No watching TV, cards, slapping bones, or watching DVDs over there. Kick ass benefits though.

So I guess you can't use your laptop at work like you do, hypocrite.
We keep the metal moving and do what were told, period. Leadership starts from the top, and we have none, with the company and our sorry azzz union.

 

[Buck]

dude, what in the hell are you talking about???

you are one strange dude, Buck!

I do not understand how you can hold the tech C/C's to the letter when the union supports them going in the first place. If you are not from TULE you must not know about working together, a Local 514 concept.

I am talking about pushing management to the edge. Holding an employee out of service while the union attempts to get him back on the job.

 

[Overspeed]

I do not understand how you can hold the tech C/C's to the letter when the union supports them going in the first place. If you are not from TULE you must not know about working together, a Local 514 concept.

I am talking about pushing management to the edge. Holding an employee out of service while the union attempts to get him back on the job.

What happens when AA decides to send a MCT or management person to supervise a contractor doing the work. If the union refuses the work doesn't management retain the right to run its operation after they have proffered the work to the union per the contract? We will be setting the precedent for AA to outsource more work under the 40% language they want.

 

[Buck]

What happens when AA decides to send a MCT or management person to supervise a contractor doing the work. If the union refuses the work doesn't management retain the right to run its operation after they have proffered the work to the union per the contract? We will be setting the precedent for AA to outsource more work under the 40% language they want.

Yes I believe you are correct.

But the main point is that the union agreed that the tech could go in an advisory position. The company has the unions blessing.

 

[strikeforce]

Yes I believe you are correct.

But the main point is that the union agreed that the tech could go in an advisory position. The company has the unions blessing.

so, help the same people kicking you in the teeth, right? Let AA send a management person to supervise whoever they want, but I think it's absolutely wrong for the union to help AA when they intend to eliminate your job! period!

working together??? really Buck?? the only thing I see is AA working together with the MRO's to eliminate OH. I just cannot believe how foolish you guys are in OH! just absolutely pathetic that you guys still believe in "working together" or "shared sacrifice". Are you kidding me??

 

[strikeforce]

What happens when AA decides to send a MCT or management person to supervise a contractor doing the work. If the union refuses the work doesn't management retain the right to run its operation after they have proffered the work to the union per the contract? We will be setting the precedent for AA to outsource more work under the 40% language they want.

AA will farmout 40% of the work whether you help them or not.

the only way OH will gain back the work is when airplanes are stranded at MRO's and the company has to ferry those birds back to Tulsa. Then, it's time to shine and fix the airplane. When the MRO can't do it's job and meet it's contractural committments.....AA will be forced to bring that work in-house. That's the only way to combat the MRO's.

 

[strikeforce]

Yes I believe you are correct.

But the main point is that the union agreed that the tech could go in an advisory position. The company has the unions blessing.

and, that's even more pathetic that the tech c/c went to TIMCO as an MPR.

 

[cf6mech]

and, that's even more pathetic that the tech c/c went to TIMCO as an MPR.

Pathetic indeed......on two accounts.....Union wise and the Tech Crew Chief....... this breaks any kind of Unity and shows how stupid we are to the company......everyman for himself.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Pathetic indeed......on two accounts.....Union wise and the Tech Crew Chief....... this breaks any kind of Unity and shows how stupid we are to the company......everyman for himself.

Any TWU members who went to TIMCO to help them get our outsourced plane out in any capacity is an act of treason to his fellow union members and their selfish act depicts exactly why we are a splintered group. No excuses necessary