TWU negotiations.........what?

[TWU informer]

Any TWU members who went to TIMCO to help them get our outsourced plane out in any capacity is an act of treason to his fellow union members and their selfish act depicts exactly why we are a splintered group. No excuses necessary

I just hope when you and Bob call your strike we do not see more acts of treason. As splintered and this union is, use caution.

I'VE GOT MINE..........BROTHER!

 

[amt66]

Any TWU members who went to TIMCO to help them get our outsourced plane out in any capacity is an act of treason to his fellow union members and their selfish act depicts exactly why we are a splintered group. No excuses necessary

I agree!!!

 

[Flying low]

Ok where do you draw the line. Insubordination or having the union walk if the Tech C/C refuses and gets walked out. Please tell me the union is going to back someone who pays them for representation.

Is it in the job description for a Tech C/C that travel may be required?

 

[amt66]

Is it in the job description for a Tech C/C that travel may be required?

I have yet to see anyone get walked out for refusing a field trip! Let's face it the guys wanted to be heroes and make some cash. The argument that they would have been walked out is very lame

 

[strikeforce]

I have yet to see anyone get walked out for refusing a field trip! Let's face it the guys wanted to be heroes and make some cash. The argument that they would have been walked out is very lame

guys will cut their mothers throat for cash, and the company knows that. Our allegiance has always been to the company teet. union principals have gone out the window. We can sit here and blame the INTL all we want, but we need to look in the mirror first........because as a membership, WE deserve to be treated like dirt. WE aren't union people, never have, and never will. Hoffa is turning in his grave. How pathetic are WE!

 

[amt66]

guys will cut their mothers throat for cash, and the company knows that. Our allegiance has always been to the company teet. union principals have gone out the window. We can sit here and blame the INTL all we want, but we need to look in the mirror first........because as a membership, WE deserve to be treated like dirt. WE aren't union people, never have, and never will. Hoffa is turning in his grave. How pathetic are WE!

I realized that when I first hired on and saw they allowed eastern scabs to work here

 

[Vortilon]

What is needed is a union AMTs can believe in, and get behind. As it is.now, it is embarrassing being in the TWU, they don't represent AMTs in any respect. In addition, the international leadership (sic) is making astronomical amounts of cash and receiving very liberal benefits at our expense. We need to clean house, and rid ourselves of these bloated international parasites. The time is coming soon.

 

[Buck]

Before using the word "treason", everyone had better look at themselves. The line trying to cut out OH. OH not giving a sh*t about the line and the union working together with the company. Yes most out there will go where the cash is,but why is that. Is it because they can't manage their money, is it because we collectively are compensated the lowest or is it the lack of leadership?

 

[enough already]

Before using the word "treason", everyone had better look at themselves. The line trying to cut out OH. OH not giving a sh*t about the line and the union working together with the company. Yes most out there will go where the cash is,but why is that. Is it because they can't manage their money, is it because we collectively are compensated the lowest or is it the lack of leadership?

Yes

 

[strikeforce]

Before using the word "treason", everyone had better look at themselves. The line trying to cut out OH. OH not giving a sh*t about the line and the union working together with the company. Yes most out there will go where the cash is,but why is that. Is it because they can't manage their money, is it because we collectively are compensated the lowest or is it the lack of leadership?

the last two are fixed and will not change for a long time......

 

[Bob Owens]

We will be setting the precedent for AA to outsource more work under the 40% language they want.

40% plus the 10% they already do not counting the work done overseas by non-TWU AA employees. AA wants to be able to contract out as much as SWA but pay 20% less than US.

Keep in mind that any 3P work done is subtracted from that and the Non -TWU AA employee overseas do more 3P line maintenence than the TWU represented mechanics do.

They can do that because our language does not specify TWU, it just says AA. To me if its not within our collective bargaining unit then it should be considered outsourced. TASEL is technically outsourced but since its done by TWU its not counted as outsourced and added into the insourced side of the ledger, I'm fine with that but the work done by Non-TWU AA employees should be considered outsourced, since its not done by us and added to the outsourced side of the ledger.

This little trick has allowed AA to show lower rates of outsourcing from the union perspective than they really do.

From the perspective of an A&P, as someone selling his labor as an A&P the rate is even higher still because to me any work that was normallly done by mechanics when I enterred the industry and thats been put out to anybody not on the AMT wage scale is outsourced work. When we agreed to SRPs A&Ps lost work, but the union still got dues, this move was counterproductive for the profession, it set in motion the collapse of in house maintenence in this country.

This also screws up the ratio of mechanics per airplane thats used by outsiders because all of the people not on the AMT wage scale are added as mechanics and then counted as mechanics per airplane, then they spin this and say "You cant expect AA to pay 9500 mechanics $40/hr, well they wouldnt because around1000 of that number are people who do mechanics work but start and top out at much lower rates, the average rate across the group is actually around $27/hr and gets lower every time someone retires and they hire a new worker to replace them. If you compare AAs average rate it would be much lower than their competitors who outsourced a lot of that low wage work and pretty much only have mechanics on the A&P wage scale reported as mechanics. I feel that UAL offered the $75k buyout so they could clear the recall lists and start hiring off the street. This allows them to lower their average pay rate because right now when someone leaves and the recall they get someone at top rate, their costs wont drop due to hiring until they get through the recalls. Crandalls growth plan was based on hiring to bring down costs because of the lower starting wage.

 

[TWU informer]

40% plus the 10% they already do not counting the work done overseas by non-TWU AA employees. Keep in mind that any 3P work done is subtracted from that and the Non -TWU AA employee overseas do more 3P line maintenence than the TWU represented mechanics do.

They can do that because our language does not specify TWU, it just says AA. To me if its not within our collective bargaining unit then it should be considered outsourced. TASEL is technically outsourced but since its done by TWU its not counted as outsourced and added into the insourced side of the ledger, I'm fine with that but the work done by Non-TWU AA employees should be considered outsourced, since its not done by us and added to the outsourced side of the ledger.

This little trick has allowed AA to show lower rates of outsourcing from the union perspective than they really do.

And to think....

When AMFA at NWA had a 38% Outsource Cap, the TWU outcry was consistently that AMFA sucked. Rick Mullings, Kevin Hammack, Kevin Thompson, and Kevin Gorremans from TeAAm TWU printed and distributed daily attacks on AMFA for that which the TWU will soon have.

The irony of the TWU now topping that number by 2% is more reap what you sow.
Next step will a USAir merger with AA and all of us getting stapled to the bottom of the seniority list just like TWU did to the Union Brothers from TWA/IAM.

Obviouly a union that is in isolation from the AFL-CIO is not as bad as they always claimed.

 

[Hopeful]

And to think....
Next step will a USAir merger with AA and all of us getting stapled to the bottom of the seniority list just like TWU did to the Union Brothers from TWA/IAM.

Wrong! Allegheny-Mohawk is still the rule of law. And it wasn't the TWU who determined the seniority integration, it was a man named KASHER!
And they weren't stapled for the most part...does 25% ring a bell with you?

KASHER made the decision, NOT the TWU!

In the event of a USAIR merger, once again ALLEGHENY MOHAWK would determine a fair and equitable integration. If the arbitrator uses the Kasher formula,
AAers would get a greater percent of seniority than the USAIRer....

Funny thing though, the native TWAers are already singing and dancing around the hangar that the IAM will give them their full seniority back in the event of a merger... I would say looking at the master seniority list, they will be singing and danicing somewhere else because layoffs will take place loooooooong before any merger!

 

[TWU informer]

Wrong! Allegheny-Mohawk is still the rule of law. And it wasn't the TWU who determined the seniority integration, it was a man named KASHER!
And they weren't stapled for the most part...does 25% ring a bell with you?

KASHER made the decision, NOT the TWU!

In the event of a USAIR merger, once again ALLEGHENY MOHAWK would determine a fair and equitable integration. If the arbitrator uses the Kasher formula,
AAers would get a greater percent of seniority than the USAIRer....

Funny thing though, the native TWAers are already singing and dancing around the hangar that the IAM will give them their full seniority back in the event of a merger... I would say looking at the master seniority list, they will be singing and danicing somewhere else because layoffs will take place loooooooong before any merger!

If it were that clear, AMFA and TEAMSTERS at SWA would not be fighting about integration

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Wrong! Allegheny-Mohawk is still the rule of law. And it wasn't the TWU who determined the seniority integration, it was a man named KASHER!
And they weren't stapled for the most part...does 25% ring a bell with you?

KASHER made the decision, NOT the TWU!


Correction is warranted here:

The TWU and the IAM met the month before they met with Kasher and worked it all out. How do you think kasher came up with the formula? Do you think he did?