TWU negotiations.........what?

[paul1]

i listened to the first meeting on archive don't recall that comment, besides what are they talking about anymore? Bob seems to be here all the time. did things break off?

and exactly what does little mean , I thought we are going to vote on the t/s


in front of a judge we are screwed even more according to are lawyers

 

[strikeforce]

i listened to the first meeting on archive don't recall that comment, besides what are they talking about anymore? Bob seems to be here all the time. did things break off?

and exactly what does little mean , I thought we are going to vote on the t/s


in front of a judge we are screwed even more according to are lawyers

hurry up and vote yes to cut your own throats!!

I guess the lawyers forgot to tell you the options:

1. term sheet....4300 AMTS gone voluntarily by voting Yes.

2. term sheet....4300 AMT's gone by the stroke of judge Lane's pen.

take your pick, Paul! Does it really matter anymore???? It's over brother!


I guess if nobody's going to offer any resistance, what's the point in being a union member??
Does labor even care, or are they just going through the motions and pretend to represent the workers???
I truly believe the holy dollar has overtaken traditional values. Values most union members believed in 30, 40 & 50 years ago, and they didn't allow big business, corporate raiders and greed to take them down. They stood up to the very things AA and corporate america want to take away from us.

Good luck to all while AA walks all over us!!!

 

[Tex-Mech]

when was that stated? more parts of the secert meetings?

It is on the Q&A on the aa.twu.org website.

Before the court makes that decision the TWU intends to give its members the opportunity to vote on the company's last proposal, even if the TWU and the company have not reached agreement on a TA.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

i listened to the first meeting on archive don't recall that comment, besides what are they talking about anymore? Bob seems to be here all the time. did things break off?

and exactly what does little mean , I thought we are going to vote on the t/s


in front of a judge we are screwed even more according to are lawyers

listen around the 19 minute mark

 

[paul1]

ok ty

 

[iluvaa]

hurry up and vote yes to cut your own throats!!

I guess the lawyers forgot to tell you the options:

1. term sheet....4300 AMTS gone voluntarily by voting Yes.

2. term sheet....4300 AMT's gone by the stroke of judge Lane's pen.

take your pick, Paul! Does it really matter anymore???? It's over brother!


I guess if nobody's going to offer any resistance, what's the point in being a union member??
Does labor even care, or are they just going through the motions and pretend to represent the workers???
I truly believe the holy dollar has overtaken traditional values. Values most union members believed in 30, 40 & 50 years ago, and they didn't allow big business, corporate raiders and greed to take them down. They stood up to the very things AA and corporate america want to take away fro
Good luck to all while AA walks all over us!!!

BURN BEOTCH BURN

 

[AA-MRO.COM]

We're leaving a lot of money on the table if we vote yes
You're never going to bet the best offer until the 11th hour of the 29th day.

Josh

There is no longer collective bargaining it is now circumvented by the corporate bankruptcy process. Josh are you that blind or just clueless...

 

[AA-MRO.COM]

RETRO is still on the table

There still is retro on the table to bad its all for the unelected members of the ATD...none for you

 

[AAOHNO]

There still is retro on the table to bad its all for the unelected members of the ATD...none for you

They fought like hell.....so hard that Little is feeling good about the Eagle 1113

 

[AA-MRO.COM]

Oh Bob. Calm down. No one is slandering anyone. I am only holding you up to a mirror and you don't like it. That's okay, the first step is admitting you were wrong. You can do it. Come on.

You are on the dole Bob. Do you not accept wages paid by AA for all your UBP? In your earlier comments when you were on the outside you called it hush money. I suppose you are backing the Company on dropping the Baker letter right?

Bob I do work on the floor but no I won't reveal myself because people like you love to attack the person and not the facts. The facts are simply that, the facts. The facts are that you said there was more money on the table, that BK was a threat, and that our jobs could not be outsourced because their is a mechanic shortage. All of those you said in one form or another in fact now you are admitting that we may lose and now you want to shutter AA for good through a job action, saying, don't worry, we will be back at top pay by 2018. Awesome, simply awesome.

Not saying we have to accept MRO wages at all. Saying the concept of "screw you, pay me" isn't working. Your strategy of playing tough guy isn't taking us on a destructive path.

You can still vote yes to the term sheet and save yourself...

 

[Buck]

bad link

 

[eolesen]

There is no longer collective bargaining it is now circumvented by the corporate bankruptcy process. Josh are you that blind or just clueless...

Josh is just repeating what Bob was saying up until the 11th hour of the 29th day... unfortunately, Bob's watch was off by an hour in the wrong direction...

The TWU can put the last proposal to a vote, but didn't the company officially withdraw the offer when they filed for bankruptcy?

Voting would be symbolic at best.

 

[TWU informer]

Josh is just repeating what Bob was saying up until the 11th hour of the 29th day... unfortunately, Bob's watch was off by an hour in the wrong direction...

The TWU can put the last proposal to a vote, but didn't the company officially withdraw the offer when they filed for bankruptcy?

Voting would be symbolic at best.

Putting the last pre-bankruptcy proposal to vote would be a little or than symbolic at this point.

If the vote was large percentage yes, and then the company abbrogates and force feeds us much worse via court, the members might be more inclined after that to begin what should have been started by labor along time ago.

Beat the hornets nest so to speak.

 

[Show me the money]

The company is going to go before the judge and he is going to give them what they want. The judge could care less about us. The company is going to show the judge this is what they need to emerge from bankruptcy. He will sign off on it and then there will be no rules. The company will layoff as many people as they see fit, they will do it as cheap as they can. There will be no grieving it, no asking the union to redo it, no Tulsa reworking it to there favor. There will be no vote no $200 and do not pass go. The union knows this and to save face and for political reasons they will say they fought like hell when there is no way they can stop anything the company is going to do. When this is over what ever union we have (if any?) it will preside over a company imposed contract for the next six years. For those who said we should have voted yes on the contract we turned down, WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!!! it would not have made one difference. All contracts at AA will be NULL AND VOID!! From here an optimist will say we will be better on the backside of this a pessimist will say we will go the way of Eastern on Pan Am. Hold your nose it is not going to be pretty.

 

[TWU informer]

For those who said we should have voted yes on the contract we turned down, WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!!! it would not have made one difference. All contracts at AA will be NULL AND VOID!!

Seems those that voted yes and ratified their T/A's (MOC Techs and Simulator Techs) are fairing better than those that did not.

SO what is you basis for the claim that voting YES would have not made one difference?

Or is this more emotional denial that we made a error in judgement, so you make this claim up?