TWU negotiations.........what?

[Mr Red]

What? Did you not know that the NMB has the final call on whether to release or not? Did you not have an plan for the end game? Was release your only leverage? Did you not think about all the angles? Don't you think you should have thought of all this before recommending a no vote. The 11th hour has come and gone and now is 1AM and you are still arguing about what should have happened. Doesn't matter now does it? We are screwed and all the would've, could've, and should've doesn't matter.

Keep swinging Bob but I hope you have your head gear on, your a lightweight and the law is going to hit you like Butterbean

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJT99suKerg

You seem to forget, the International did not want a release ! We need to fire the TWU for Incompetance.

 

[Overspeed]

You seem to forget, the International did not want a release ! We need to fire the TWU for Incompetance.

I didn't forget anything. Little contacted the Obama "insiders" and they told the TWU that there would be no release until well after the election at the earliest. It's not just the TWU that's a political machine, the US government has an agenda and for Obama, it's getting re-elected. Now that may cost Obama your vote but I bet they took that in to account when Obama's people said release is not happening.

So, when you know the deck is not stacked in your favor (labor) then do you still beat your fists on the table asking for release when you know BK is a strong possibility at the time? So was Little telling the committee the truth about not getting released incompetence? Really? Bob was playing poker and went all in with a 2-7 offsuit and AA called his bluff.

 

[Overspeed]

Well we know this, the company said a 20% cut across everything. So whatever cuts we gave back then would not count now, such as retiree medical. There are few things that we have in our contract that could be considered onerous because we are industry lagging in pretty much every thing else. What we do have is our pension and retiree medical. We also have in house OH, but still we have not been presented with any proof that at the end of the day it would be less costly if we outsourced it, and even if at this time they claimed it was they could not do it tomorrow, it would take a couple of years because as you know the places where they would be sending it to are having trouble keeping people, making the work they already have enough of a challenge. I think the companys main objective here isnt to actually send out 50% of the work, they want to have clear language that allows them to so they can use outsourcing as a threat to increase productivity.

Maintenence is particularly hard hit by this 20% figure because the company inflated their maintenence costs over the last few years. We are the only group to be hiring off the street, they started a bunch of mods and are trying to catch up on maintenence they had put off years earlier, even outsourcing the 757s added to the figure making our 20% disproportional to other groups, why the ask for maintenence was around $60 million higher for us than fleet. Another problem with the ask is that as new aircraft come on line and old aircraft leave our headcount will diminish as well as other costs, none of which we get credit for. The simplest way I can put this is lets say under normal circumstances they spent $750 million on maintenence, but do to all the extra stuff they decided to do over the last few years they recently spent $1 billion , the extra $250 million being one time expenses that would niot reoccur such as winglets and refurbishing the cabins .They are telling us we have to come up with $200 million, based on 20% of a Billion instead of 20% of $750 million which would be $150 million. So in a few years their actual maint costs once the new planes come in would be a lot more than 20% lower than they are today.

Are you serious? Inflated maintenance costs? You don't know how to read a P&L do you? Almost all mods like winglets are capitalized and do not get charged to M&E. In fact third party work and capital mods are shown as credits to the M&E P&L so it helps not hurts us to have done this work. Again, you do not know what you are talking about.

And your Local 562 video is wrong in regards to the value M&E provided in breakthrough goals. The $500M in TULE and the millions more in cost savings and avoidance were mostly one time gains. The $95M for the line was never achieved because people like you said don't participate. You can't take credit for something you did not do.

Ask the right questions and you would know this but you refuse to hear anything counter to your arguments. Tell the whole truth Bob. Not part of it.

 

[toroshark]

I didn't forget anything. Little contacted the Obama "insiders" and they told the TWU that there would be no release until well after the election at the earliest. It's not just the TWU that's a political machine, the US government has an agenda and for Obama, it's getting re-elected. Now that may cost Obama your vote but I bet they took that in to account when Obama's people said release is not happening.

So, when you know the deck is not stacked in your favor (labor) then do you still beat your fists on the table asking for release when you know BK is a strong possibility at the time? So was Little telling the committee the truth about not getting released incompetence? Really? Bob was playing poker and went all in with a 2-7 offsuit and AA called his bluff.

Exactly how do you know that Little contacted Obama's insiders? Could you please post some proof or reveal your sources?

 

[Overspeed]

Exactly how do you know that Little contacted Obama's insiders? Could you please post some proof or reveal your sources?

Zimmerman informed us and I have no reason to believe he was lying. Not sure about your President.

 

[Mr Red]

Zimmerman informed us and I have no reason to believe he was lying. Not sure about your President.

This statement is a JOKE right!!! You have no credibility whatsoever now!

 

[Overspeed]

This statement is a JOKE right!!! You have no credibility whatsoever now!

Nope it's not a joke. I also heard it from JR out of LAX and Woodward out of MIA. Little did brief the presidents back when they took their vote just prior to the Oct 2011 negotiations session where they voted for release by November which did not happen. It's fact buddy, get over it. Chose to be out of touch and be in denial but the fact remains, the presidents had this information and they chose to ignore it.

 

[TWU informer]

dupe

 

[odie01]

Will we have time to vote on the pos contract Little agree's to tomorrow, or does he just sign off on it?

 

[TWU informer]

March 22, 2012 Fellow pilots, During a hearing in bankruptcy court today and in a related Jetwire message from American Airlines Senior Vice President-Human Resources Jeff Brundage, management indicated that they plan to file 1113(c) motions with the court next week to reject current collective bargaining agreements with APA, APFA and TWU "if we are unable to reach consensual agreements." Once management files 1113(c) motions with the court, a hearing may take place within 14-21 days unless the parties agree to another schedule. Throughout the ongoing restructuring negotiations, APA has focused on making reasonable, industry-standard proposals, with the overriding goal of reaching a consensual agreement with management. With today's announcement by management, it has become abundantly clear that they are seeking to use the restructuring process to extract deep concessions from APA based on their 1113(c) term sheet. The result would be a contract that is below industry standard. Make no mistake--APA will use all available legal means to strongly resist any such outcome. Court Approves Extension of AMR's Exclusivity Period During today's hearing, the bankruptcy court also "conditionally" ruled in favor of management's request for a 180-day extension of the exclusivity period during which only AMR can propose a plan of reorganization. The original 120-day exclusivity period expires next week. The Unsecured Creditors' Committee can terminate the extended exclusivity period at any time if they decide to consider alternative business/reorganization plans. APA Motion for Summary Judgment
Also during today's hearing, the court heard arguments from APA and management concerning APA's motion for summary judgment in our lawsuit regarding rejection of collective bargaining agreements under Section 1113 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code. The court also heard arguments concerning management's motion to dismiss our lawsuit. The judge responded by stating that he would not issue a ruling from the bench, but would instead issue a written ruling. He further stated that he would try to issue his ruling before management files 1113(c) motions.

As previously noted, the goal of our lawsuit is to preserve APA's ability to continue negotiating under the provisions of the Railway Labor Act prohibiting airline management from changing rates of pay, rules and working conditions until the National Mediation Board (NMB) finishes mediating toward an agreement. Also, the Railway Labor Act represents the more promising path to a consensual agreement by offering multiple options for dispute resolution.

Our offer to accept a proffer of binding interest arbitration from the NMB was likewise designed to preserve our ability to remain under the Railway Labor Act's provisions. In responding to our offer, management announced late last week that they would not accept a proffer of binding interest arbitration, indicating their preference for the 1113(c) path. Management's continued adherence to heavy-handed bargaining tactics will not produce effective solutions to American Airlines' serious problems.

Thank you for your continued involvement and support.

In unity,

Captain Dave Bates
APA President

 

[odie01]

Seeking to throw out decades of bargaining "is regarded by the union as a declaration of war" that effectively ends any hope of cooperation with the company, Chaison said. Unions will seek to undo the court's decision in the next round of bargaining after bankruptcy protection ends, he said.

We'll get em' next time boy's!

 

[Buck]

Seeking to throw out decades of bargaining "is regarded by the union as a declaration of war" that effectively ends any hope of cooperation with the company, Chaison said. Unions will seek to undo the court's decision in the next round of bargaining after bankruptcy protection ends, he said.

We'll get em' next time boy's!

With this declaration of war, who is the Commander and Chief?

Little or the president.

 

[odie01]

With this declaration of war, who is the Commander and Chief?

Little or the president.

Obama is your pro-union Democratic Demi-god that will save the middle class and stand up for the working class American citizen. (even though he is not proven to be a US citizen :unsure:

 

[Duke787]

Will we have time to vote on the pos contract Little agree's to tomorrow, or does he just sign off on it?

Better then having the vote NO coalition involved.

AFW and TULE are the biggest losers in this whole inability of the TWU to get a deal done.

 

[Buck]

Obama is your pro-union Democratic Demi-god that will save the middle class and stand up for the working class American citizen. (even though he is not proven to be a US citizen :unsure:

If the Mechanic and Related are part of this middle class you speak of, are they also part of the 99%?