TWU negotiations.........what?

[Duke787]

I agree again, Occupy wall street demonstrations made me a believer in large demonstrations having an effect. Forget the politics of the occupy wall street movement, I was there a few times and nothing more empowering is being with 10, 000 people with common causes, lots of press, and a sense that your working towards something. I wish more of us could get that feeling because it is empowering but it takes giving time to a cause that may not give you immediate relief. many of us want change but want someone else to do it.

OWS made noise but didn't change a thing, good people with a great cause but executed poorly, IMO they should have called themselves the TEA PARTY (so FoxNews would support rather then attack) and protested at the elected officials offices that took campaign contributions that made laws that didn't help anybody but Wall Street, or made it finically more appealing to send jobs overseas.

IMO that is what you and Bob are, great cause but attacking it in the wrong way, we do not have the power right now, and we should be going for the best deal possible. It should revolve around pay, let AA worry about head count, we all see what kind of work comes from the contractors, let our work, line and OH speak for itself.

 

[Mr Red]

It would appear that you are labeling me. That's ok because I would rather be so than to have my rights as a citizen of this county determined by the state. You on the other hand would take the principal of freedom from the masses and give it to the state. That is a socialist. That is fine, you have that right.

Your arcane view of unionism has past and it is time to modify into the 21st century. Deregulation of the airline industry is not just for the corporate, but for those representing the employees.

Funny how corporate America loves those Socialist losses . Must not be all bad!

 

[Buck]

Funny how corporate America loves those Socialist losses . Must not be all bad!

 

[Buck]

Funny how corporate America loves those Socialist losses . Must not be all bad!

What are you talking about, as if your socialism were not evident enough. Your president continually violates the principles of the US Constitution and the unionized socialized AFL-CIO backs him at all levels. Those in power at the TWU International and the AFL-CIO are the haves and you and your union are riding on the coattails of the OWS movement because the can never do something on their own.

All forms of Socialism are bad. It is the first step toward Communism. The time for action for our livelihood is now, but not through the age old idealism of the past. It has not worked in the past and it is rather evident where we are today. The industrial unionism of standing for all the working men and women in all sectors of society is fine but we must fix our problems first and the methods that have been selected for us has been unsuccessful.

 

[Mr Red]

It would appear that you are labeling me. That's ok because I would rather be so than to have my rights as a citizen of this county determined by the state. You on the other hand would take the principal of freedom from the masses and give it to the state. That is a socialist. That is fine, you have that right.

Your arcane view of unionism has past and it is time to modify into the 21st century. Deregulation of the airline industry is not just for the corporate, but for those representing the employees.

Crandle thinks Airlines should be re-regulated , I did'nt know he was a socialist,I guess I am too!

 

[TWU informer]

This BS arguement between Buck and Red is exactly why we will never unite and correct our problems.

Union Men more interested in arguements over Politics, Religion, Fishing, Hunting, and Moral Issues.

Meanwhile back at the ranch you are being raped and everything you own taken away.

Keep up the good work. Be sure and let us all know who wins and the value of the win.

Because I bet it takes socialist, capitalist, liberals, and conservatives working side by side and together to reverse the decimation.

 

[Mr Red]

This BS arguement between Buck and Red is exactly why we will never unite and correct our problems.

Union Men more interested in arguements over Politics, Religion, Fishing, Hunting, and Moral Issues.

Meanwhile back at the ranch you are being raped and everything you own taken away.

Keep up the good work. Be sure and let us all know who wins and the value of the win.

Because I bet it takes socialist, capitalist, liberals, and conservatives working side by side and together to reverse the decimation.

You are right .

 

[Buck]

This BS arguement between Buck and Red is exactly why we will never unite and correct our problems.

Union Men more interested in arguements over Politics, Religion, Fishing, Hunting, and Moral Issues.

Meanwhile back at the ranch you are being raped and everything you own taken away.

Keep up the good work. Be sure and let us all know who wins and the value of the win.

Because I bet it takes socialist, capitalist, liberals, and conservatives working side by side and together to reverse the decimation.

Ok I did learn from the best. I remember someone taking the fight to the union over the first issue you listed.

 

[TWU informer]

Ok I did learn from the best. I remember someone taking the fight to the union over the first issue you listed.

Yeah, that is how I know it is a waste of time and effort. And most important a side show to the real problem.

BTW, I did leave out the most important issue that creates division and that is the current Line AMT vs Overhaul AMT debacle.
Compared to the others, this is currently the largest hurdle.

 

[Buck]

Yeah, that is how I know it is a waste of time and effort. And most important a side show to the real problem.

BTW, I did leave out the most important issue that creates division and that is the current Line AMT vs Overhaul AMT debacle.
Compared to the others, this is currently the largest hurdle.

And if I post something concerning the Line /OH argument will I be wasting my time and effort?

 

[Overspeed]

Oh I get it, We never should try and fight anything or anyone that is destroying our careers and our families. One thing for sure is not doing anything will definitly get us nothing. Men sacrificed their blood and unslefishly did what ever to fight for work rules, conditions, and benefits that we have enjoyed. here you are saying just give it away, no fight to keep anything. some of us believe we should do what ever it takes to try and keep what other men sacrificed to get us. It isn 't like Corporate America is going to lose theirs! It is your thinking that is bringing down the working man and embarrassing our past union workers. You are the type to say; no on else has a pension, so how can we keep it? some of us feel we should help them fight to keep their pension so we can keep ours. But why would you think of that? maybe your too busy blaming everyone else. there was nothing wrong with the philosophy of our origin union founders or Bob Owens. Mike Quill had he listened to you he never would have stood up to the judge and he would not have been an icon for the TWU. He was a leader and went against the grain to achieve something. He put himself out there. Where are you and your few supporters on this? Hiding behind alias names and spewing logic that is against all principals of any unionism and Mike Quill. Step up and join the party. This is not about the TWU as much as a complete war on labor in many sectors and people like you sit on the sidelines waiting for a miracle that is not coming and mock others who want to try to make it right!


why dont you just take the leap and join corporate america because you have nothing to offer here but lip service and criticism without any suggestions.

Dude, Bob Owens is not Mike Quill or even anything close. That's a reach Chuck.

Mike Quill was a labor leader during labor unions peak in the 1950s. Labor unions built tremendous strength during WWII when damn near every other industrialized nation had their manufacturing capacity destroyed. Most countries owed us money! Now everything has changed, the past 40 years have eroded labor's strength. All the legislative protections built up in the 1930s have been lost over the years and labor membership is at a 70 year low. Face the reality that big business has convinced the other 90% that are not unionized that labor unions are greedy.

Again, invoking MIke Quill's name dose not legitimize your arguments. The vote no strategy failed and you know it but you attack people and your followers resort to thuggery when someone speaks and uses reason. Not waiting for a miracle, living in reality with an eye on the future.

Bob's burn it down and we will get new jobs with $40 an hour in 2018 strategy is one I doubt Mike Quill would embrace.

 

[Buck]

Can anyone confirm that 40 mechanics were hired this month at 19.00+ with a letter confirming a guaranteed position?

 

[TWU informer]

Dude, Bob Owens is not Mike Quill or even anything close.

Mike Quill was a labor leader during labor unions peak in the 1950s. Labor unions built tremendous strength during WWII when damn near every other industrialized nation had their manufacturing capacity destroyed. Most countries owed us money! Now everything has changed, the past 40 years have eroded labor's strength. All the legislative protections built up in the 1930s have been lost over the years and labor membership is at a 70 year low. Face the reality that big business has convinced the other 90% that are not unionized that labor unions are greedy.

Again, invoking MIke Quill's name dose not legitimize your arguments. The vote no strategy failed and you know it but you attack people and your followers resort to thuggery when someone speaks and uses reason. Not waiting for a miracle, living in reality with an eye on the future.

Bob's burn it down and we will get new jobs with $40 an hour in 2018 strategy is one I doubt Mike Quill would embrace.

Dude the difference between then and now is simply that unions did not believe that the poltical arena was the answer to everything, Quill and others were known to violate law and cause unrest. Your opinons match the weak ass cop out spewed by the cowards we have in charge now. Thinking James C Little, Trumpka, Hoffa or any other leader would break the law for the good of workers is laughable. The only law breaking going on in unions these days is them illegal lining their own pockets while we get shafted.

WE no longer have labor leaders we have over paid representatives just like our political system and both are failing the people/workers.

The reason we are not getting our way is because our representatives do not want to offend their Democratic Political Allies by using Quill type of tactics.

 

[Mr Red]

Dude, Bob Owens is not Mike Quill or even anything close. That's a reach Chuck.

Mike Quill was a labor leader during labor unions peak in the 1950s. Labor unions built tremendous strength during WWII when damn near every other industrialized nation had their manufacturing capacity destroyed. Most countries owed us money! Now everything has changed, the past 40 years have eroded labor's strength. All the legislative protections built up in the 1930s have been lost over the years and labor membership is at a 70 year low. Face the reality that big business has convinced the other 90% that are not unionized that labor unions are greedy.

Again, invoking MIke Quill's name dose not legitimize your arguments. The vote no strategy failed and you know it but you attack people and your followers resort to thuggery when someone speaks and uses reason. Not waiting for a miracle, living in reality with an eye on the future.

Bob's burn it down and we will get new jobs with $40 an hour in 2018 strategy is one I doubt Mike Quill would embrace.

Lets put the Southwest contract on the table,maintain wages for all AMTs.In the begining their might be a purge of deadbeats and bums,but thats a good thing!

 

[Buck]

Southwest's contract would be nice. But with arbitration being rejected it looks like it is going to be the term sheet, take it or leave it.

The union of course will fight, but what beyond wages and benefits will they fight for?

If the company is truly continuing to hire mechanics, where will these mechanics be placed? In front or behind the 40% OSM's.