TWU negotiations.........what?

[Bob Owens]

I pray that there is more than just you at the table. Even if aa where to go under most guys are to old to start at the bottom and will just go else where, Like walmart or costco. But hey bob showed them!!!!!!!!!! how's the retro looking bob!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And how well off do you think you will be in 2018 earning $34/hr? Dont forget that you will be paying triple what you are now for Medical as well.

 

[TWU informer]

I pray that there is more than just you at the table. Even if aa where to go under most guys are to old to start at the bottom and will just go else where, Like walmart or costco. But hey bob showed them!!!!!!!!!! how's the retro looking bob!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Interesting that individuals like Bob are elected and take an oath to look out for the interest of the membership. But evidence keeps surfacing that Bob is hoping to destroy our livelyhood and American Airlines to have us all start over somewhere else.

 

[strikeforce]

Interesting that individuals like Bob are elected and take an oath to look out for the interest of the membership. But evidence keeps surfacing that Bob is hoping to destroy our livelyhood and American Airlines to have us all start over somewhere else.

Bob has a wish list.....that's never going to happen with the TWU. I don't believe Jim Little wants to hear Bob's plan either, so he has no choice but to let off a little steam. It's my wish list too, but I know better......

 

[700UW]

Abrogating the contracts is changing the results
Binding arbitration will have no value in court?

Do you not get it?

Bankruptcy law trumps the RLA, and any contract can be abrogated, no matter if it was negotiated or arbitrated.

It has nothing to do with where your trying to go, why dont you just come out and say your talking about the HP/US arbitration?

Your comparing apples to oranges, the unions filed under Section 7 of the RLA, it has nothing to do with the pilots arbitration at US.

 

[strikeforce]

And how well off do you think you will be in 2018 earning $34/hr? Dont forget that you will be paying triple what you are now for Medical as well.

with all do respect Bob, you have to stop. You're starting to lose the one's that are on your side. I know it's tough being associated with a union that is rudderless, and has absolutely no horsepower against AA. Best thing to do is watch AA fail in it's objectives. They are notorious at screwing up the operation. The train wreck will happen at some point. You've been around long enough to know that the company is good at screwing things up on their own. Take a break my friend!

 

[xUT]

Not at all, I'm saying if the company gets what it wants we should strike and hopefully help put the place out of business so the carriers that are willing to pay a fair wage expand and pick up those who used to work for AA. Similar to what workers at EAL did back in the late eighties. I thought the post was pretty clear, AA wants us to accept $34/hr in 2018, thats less than what we were paid in 2002, when the average for the industry is over $38, not counting Fed Ex or UPS. That if this company survives we can expect to be earning around $23,000 less than average and will probably damage the ability of other mechanics to continue to recover from the losses of the Post 9-11 bankruptcy craze. The biggest threat to Airline mechanics is not China or El Salvador- its American Airlines.Should we , in order to stop layoffs, ruin the entire profession?

I hear you Bob, but that ship has sailed. If AA TWU took bigger cuts outside of BK than the rest of us, how do you think the TWU membership will ever support such a plan?
The whippings will continue until moral improves and the membership will beg for seconds/thirds/etc...

JMHO,
B) xUT

 

[TWU informer]

Do you not get it?

Bankruptcy law trumps the RLA, and any contract can be abrogated, no matter if it was negotiated or arbitrated.

It has nothing to do with where your trying to go, why dont you just come out and say your talking about the HP/US arbitration?

Your comparing apples to oranges, the unions filed under Section 7 of the RLA, it has nothing to do with the pilots arbitration at US.

Please show LEGAL proof with citations that Bankruptcy Law trumps the Railway Labor Act

 

[700UW]

US IAM M&R and NWA AFA.

 

[TWU informer]

US IAM M&R and NWA AFA.

Were those confirmed by the Supreme Court?

 

[700UW]

Look it up, happened and if it was against the RLA, it wouldnt be permitted by law then now would it be?

History

If you read this paper, it explains the history of Section 1113C

 

[xUT]

Do you not get it?

Bankruptcy law trumps the RLA, and any contract can be abrogated, no matter if it was negotiated or arbitrated.

It has nothing to do with where your trying to go, why dont you just come out and say your talking about the HP/US arbitration?

Your comparing apples to oranges, the unions filed under Section 7 of the RLA, it has nothing to do with the pilots arbitration at US.

I know you have a passion for the IAM and Unions (except for AMFA) but sometimes your self pontification is detrimental to unions in general.
JMHO,
B) xUT

 

[TWU informer]

Look it up, happened and if it was against the RLA, it wouldnt be permitted by law then now would it be?

History

If you read this paper, it explains the history of Section 1113C

Yes it would be permitted if someone failed to appeal all the way to the Supreme Court.
Do you even have a clue how the LEGAL system in this Country works? Or are you just a wannbe?

 

[700UW]

I know how it works, it was challenged to the appellate level and five different Justices ruled it was permitted.

I know its didnt go to SCOTUS, but they could have refused to hear the case, but it still was challenged and allowed.

Also the NW AFA case went to the court of appeals also and was upheld.

Did you even the history?

 

[Birdman]

Concerning negotiations, JL's letter to the NMB requested they proffer BA to the compAAny. The TWU update today states "The company has until next Monday, March 19, to answer the TWU’s proffer of binding arbitration." Did the NMB proffer AA BA, or did JL just make that up?

 

[Overspeed]

And how well off do you think you will be in 2018 earning $34/hr? Dont forget that you will be paying triple what you are now for Medical as well.

Hold on. We would have been making more than that already if we passed the TA you recommended a no vote on! Now you are whining about what BK is doing to our CBA?!?! Bob, enough already. Say it, your strategy was wrong. You thought we would be better off voting and we are not. Your back up plan is to run AMR into Chap 7 (which isn't our call) unless you are advocating illegal job actions. And after we give AMR the big finger we will all be able to start over and hopefully be able to make $40/hour by 2018. Awesome Bob. You really thought this one through didn't you.