TWU negotiations.........what?

[Duke787]

Then, you should be all for getting rid of the TWU. Tulsa will always carry the majority block because the TWU knows the Line and AFW will decertify them in a heartbeat. Are you getting compensated for your talent, experience and performance? absolutely NOT! You are getting paid a wage that allows AA to keep 10K mechanics employed. AA will find out the hard way when the outsourcing starts affecting their operation. When they contracted out MSP & DTW, our amt's continually helps the company by going on field trips to bail them out. If that stops....who is AA going to get to fix that plane?? WE are our own worst enemies! When ORD told the company no OT and no Field trips what happened......that's right our own union brothers at other stations went on field trips and worked unlimited OT. You want to show AA how valuable you really are......work by the book, stop taking OT, forget about the CS policy, stop taking field trips, and let them farm out as much as they want. I guarantee you will have leverage over AA that you never imagined was humanly possible. But, it takes a president with some BIG kahunnas to come around and tell you that. Something our presidents don't have!

I concur........I would be curiuos to see how well or bad management would be without a union. Delta seems to be operating just fine without a union and the mechs I bet are getting full pay for a sick day and doing better then 5 holidays paid at time and a half.

 

[strikeforce]

I concur........I would be curiuos to see how well or bad management would be without a union. Delta seems to be operating just fine without a union and the mechs I bet are getting full pay for a sick day and doing better then 5 holidays paid at time and a half.

Delta is forced to keep parity because they don't want to deal with the unions. Plus, the relationship they have with their mechanics is 180 degrees out. They respect each other and don't go into the media and call them bricks. In addition, if you remember the MD-80 wiring harness fiasco.....SR VP Dan Garton went on t.v. and specifically blamed the mechanics for that fiasco. If we had a real union president, he should of demanded Garton's immediate resignation, and an a personalized letter of apology to each mechanic.

This management team doesn't have a clue on how to run a maintenance operation. What makes them look half way decent is the fact that WE still have individuals that go above and beyond to help management. Like the tech crew chiefs that went to TIMCO to help fix the 757. And, after ferrying that a/c to TUL, how long before the plane was fixed???? That plane should have been the ginea pig to show the company how valuable OH really is. Instead, you all jumped through hoops to fix the plane. Shame on you all!!!!!

 

[AA767JET]

Delta is forced to keep parity because they don't want to deal with the unions. Plus, the relationship they have with their mechanics is 180 degrees out. They respect each other and don't go into the media and call them bricks. In addition, if you remember the MD-80 wiring harness fiasco.....SR VP Dan Garton went on t.v. and specifically blamed the mechanics for that fiasco. If we had a real union president, he should of demanded Garton's immediate resignation, and an a personalized letter of apology to each mechanic.

This management team doesn't have a clue on how to run a maintenance operation. What makes them look half way decent is the fact that WE still have individuals that go above and beyond to help management. Like the tech crew chiefs that went to TIMCO to help fix the 757. And, after ferrying that a/c to TUL, how long before the plane was fixed???? That plane should have been the ginea pig to show the company how valuable OH really is. Instead, you all jumped through hoops to fix the plane. Shame on you all!!!!!

Totally agree with you 110 percent !! Very well put ...

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Overspeed, on 10 March 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:


Uh not right. Remember, Greg Hall offered to keep the heads after 9/11 and not layoff as many if the TWU AMTs would work with less OT. Yes we could have run much leaner and by 2003 we were still fat. In fact, the scenario or running leaner was an option in 2003 but no president wanted to say they agreed to a deal that would result in layoffs.


Uh not right:

I supported a straight layoff in the 2003 negotiations to hit number for proposal and leave contract intact. I was hissed at and told I am not a union man. I was accused of trying to get rid of tulsa. Ultimately we lost 4,000 or more title 1 jobs since 2003. So the company got both jobs and concessions over time.
note: Greg Hall never told me about working with less OT. I find that to be unfounded in 2003

 

[Overspeed]

Overspeed, on 10 March 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:


Uh not right. Remember, Greg Hall offered to keep the heads after 9/11 and not layoff as many if the TWU AMTs would work with less OT. Yes we could have run much leaner and by 2003 we were still fat. In fact, the scenario or running leaner was an option in 2003 but no president wanted to say they agreed to a deal that would result in layoffs.


Uh not right:

I supported a straight layoff in the 2003 negotiations to hit number for proposal and leave contract intact. I was hissed at and told I am not a union man. I was accused of trying to get rid of tulsa. Ultimately we lost 4,000 or more title 1 jobs since 2003. So the company got both jobs and concessions over time.
note: Greg Hall never told me about working with less OT. I find that to be unfounded in 2003

Congrats you supported the layoff. But you need to do the math bro, if your operating fleet drops from 818 (w/TWA) to 614 you don't need that many AMTs. We parked ~25% of the fleet and RIF'd ~25% of the AMTs. Are you suggesting that we should have kept that HC regardless of the fleet size? AA did not get the double dip like you say, in fact HC is right in line with expectations.

You need to think early 1990s lean. Don't you remember working boat loads of OT because our then CEO axed heads left and right? Instead the line presidents tacitly advocated refusing OT until everyone was recalled after the concessions. Smart, real smart.

The facts do not support your assessment of what happened to HC after concessions and I am quite sorry that Greg did not tell you personally.

 

[Overspeed]

In the past ten years AA has closed SJC, SNA, BNA, MSP, DTW, RNO and Hartford.

SJC and BNA were hubs that should have never been.

MSP was opened because the F100 needed more maintenance opportunities because the plane was such a pig.

DTW, BDL, and RNO were not needed due to a reduced fleet size, too few overnight aircraft, and the maintenance access was not needed.

You want AA to manage the business effectively and when they do you scream foul. When those stations closed maintenance performance did not plummet did it?

 

[Chuck Schalk]

The math is irrelevant Bro, The concessions were sold to the negotiating committeein in 2003 as saving Jobs! there was no discussion of a shrinking fleet, only to save jobs and that did not happen!

 

[TWU informer]

Why is it OK to continuously review the 2003 past but when someone post something current it is a tired quote?

Like

"If this T/A were to pass, we would be leaving money on the table"

and

"Everyone knows the best deal never comes until the 11th hour of the 29th day"

and

"Retro is still on the table"... This one was the response when I kept asking if we would ever recover the $16,000.00 plus lost as a result of the NO VOTE.

And so now, we all hear this continuos complaining about the problems but never are offered the solution.

There are so many secret negotations going on who can keep up with what is even happening right now?

This is not adequate Union Leadership. This is FAILED Union Leadership.

 

[AA89]

In this mornings Ft. Worth Star-Telegram

 

[TWU informer]

That'll show 'em!!!

Surely that will get 'em on your side too.

Good Luck!

Some people just cannot understand that the business decision to close AFW had nothing to do with performance. It has everything to do with COST and along with Fleet Size and Maintenance Needs compared to maintenance capacity.

Another way to view advertisement would be this...

Would you keep paying millions in lease fees to keep a maintenance facility that you no longer needed to maintain your aircraft fleet? If yes would that be a sound business decision?

Would Local 567 be willing to give AA MRO wages, productivity, and work rules to attempt third party maintenance programs for others? No, you would then be running advertisements about how much you have already given up and how unfair that would be to the profession.

Just out of curiousity...How many voted against the T/A at Local 567?

 

[strikeforce]

That'll show 'em!!!

Surely that will get 'em on your side too.

Good Luck!

Some people just cannot understand that the business decision to close AFW had nothing to do with performance. It has everything to do with COST and along with Fleet Size and Maintenance Needs compared to maintenance capacity.

Another way to view advertisement would be this...

Would you keep paying millions in lease fees to keep a maintenance facility that you no longer needed to maintain your aircraft fleet? If yes would that be a sound business decision?

Would Local 567 be willing to give AA MRO wages, productivity, and work rules to attempt third party maintenance programs for others? No, you would then be running advertisements about how much you have already given up and how unfair that would be to the profession.

Just out of curiousity...How many voted against the T/A at Local 567?

I'm pissed because the TWU hasn't gone out and placed an ad on how valuable Avionics is to this company!

 

[AA89]

That'll show 'em!!!

Surely that will get 'em on your side too.

Good Luck!

Some people just cannot understand that the business decision to close AFW had nothing to do with performance. It has everything to do with COST and along with Fleet Size and Maintenance Needs compared to maintenance capacity.

Another way to view advertisement woulbd be this...

Would you keep paying millions in lease fees to keep a maintenance facility that you no longer needed to maintain your aircraft fleet? If yes would that be a sound business decision?

Would Local 567 be willing to give AA MRO wages, productivity, and work rules to attempt third maintenance programs for others? No, you would then be running advertisements about how much you have already given up and how unfair that would be to the profession.

So it's ok for Tulsa to try and save jobs but not AFW?
Of course it's probably a waste of money but probably a better use than t-shirts.
I would argue that on time performance and quality are a factor in COST and since none of us know how our other costs compare to MROs, then what's wrong with publisizing what we can prove?
Would I keep paying millions in lease fees to keep a maintenance facility that I no longer need to maintain my aircraft fleet? I guess that depends on how it adds up with my total costs vs outsourcing it. Free lease and late airplanes aren't much of a sound business decision either which is why the 777 lines came back to AFW.
I imagine 567 would be willing to give whatever 514 is giving but since the Intl. is handling the "negotiations" that is a moot point isn't it?
I think the mood of the workers throughout the company will be sour if the term sheet is imposed. That includes Pilots, F/As and TWU workers all over the system. If AFW were to be left open I don't think they would be any more inclined to running an ad than any other local.

 

[strikeforce]

So it's ok for Tulsa to try and save jobs but not AFW?
Of course it's probably a waste of money but probably a better use than t-shirts.
I would argue that on time performance and quality are a factor in COST and since none of us know how our other costs compare to MROs, then what's wrong with publisizing what we can prove?
Would I keep paying millions in lease fees to keep a maintenance facility that I no longer need to maintain my aircraft fleet? I guess that depends on how it adds up with my total costs vs outsourcing it. Free lease and late airplanes aren't much of a sound business decision either which is why the 777 lines came back to AFW.
I imagine 567 would be willing to give whatever 514 is giving but since the Intl. is handling the "negotiations" that is a moot point isn't it?
I think the mood of the workers throughout the company will be sour if the term sheet is imposed. That includes Pilots, F/As and TWU workers all over the system. If AFW were to be left open I don't think they would be any more inclined to running an ad than any other local.

I would suppose that if all the members of local 567 filed a DFR against the union for NOT providing the same representation as they're providing TUL.......you probably have a good case. I'm just throwing it out at you, bro!

I don't believe there was ONE mention of AFW in any of the TWU's updates.....strictly TUL. And, that's because the TWU is shaking in their shoes if they lose TUL. And now, with asking for binding arbitration may actually come to fruition. UA and DL contract out nearly 100% of their heavy maintenance, and AA is asking for 40% on the term sheet and may end up going into BA asking for what UA & DL farm out. What's our defense when that happens???? Did our highly paid lawyers advise Jim Little on that one?? Or is this just a side deal in order to save the pensions while placing an additional 4K jobs at risk in TUL? We'll see??

 

[dfw gen]

Ok informer so now your advocating the closing of AFW? I get it now you see a way to preserve yourself. Ok you can come out of the closet you alter ego is overspreed? Right? When your off your meds your informer, when your on them your overspeed!
How's the management welding job search going? Sounds like you have got the right attitude!

 

[dfw gen]

Informer/overspeed. I would advocate your ban but than there would be no amusement thru out the website!