TWU negotiations.........what?

[Goey]

Sure, you willing to reciprocate? I hear that Delta/NWA recently restffed a bunch of cities to improve their performance.

These are the places staffed by A&P mechanics
AFW
ATL
AUS
BOS
DCA
DEN
DFW
DWH
EWR
JFK
LAX
LGA
MCO
MIA
ORD
PHL
PHX
RDU
SAN
SJU
SAT
STL
TPA
TULThree bases, six class I and 15 class II,

Bob
Where's SFO? You know something I don't?
Goey

 

[TWU informer]

National Mediation Board Meeting Notifications


January 9, 2012


Board Member Harry Hoglander and Director of Mediation Services Larry Gibbons will hold a status conference.

View the notices below:


Subject: NMB Case Numbers: A-13472 & A-13491
American Eagle Airlines, Inc. & TWU
Board Member Harry Hoglander and Director of Mediation Services Larry
Gibbons will hold a status conference with the parties at 3:00PM on Wednesday,
January 11, 2012. The meeting will be held at the offices of American Eagle,
4333 Amon Carter Boulevard, Fort Worth, TX 76155.
•cc: Harry Hoglander, Board Member, NMB
•Patricia Sims, Sr. Mediator, NMB
•John Livingood, Mediator, NM

-------------------------------------------

Subject: American Airlines-TWU
NMB Case Numbers:
•A-13473 – Fleet Services
•A-13485 – Stock Clerks
•A-13486 – Technicians
•A-13495 – Mechanics & Related

Board Member Harry Hoglander and Director of Mediation Services Larry Gibbons will hold a status conference with the parties at 9:00AM on Thursday, January 12, 2012. The meeting will be held at the offices of American Airlines, 4333 Amon Carter Boulevard, Fort Worth, TX 76155.

 

[TWU informer]

Let's get a Owens' release, use that as leverage and show AA's ass who is charge!


Satire of Course

 

[Bob Owens]

You just pointed out the difference between 145 and 121.
True 145, you rts above items/criteria.....out on the line to rts an aircraft, you'll need an A/P lic. Like I said, look it up.

This controvery has been going on for years. I asked Bill O'Brien (he was a frequent contributor to AMT Magazine, FAA official and an advocate of the profesion) many years back if an A&P is needed on the line. He told me that for all intensive purposes it is, even though the FARs are not clear on this. Here's why, to operate under FAR 121 the carrier has to present their maintenance plan to the FAA and if they included a plan that did not have A&Ps doing the work they probably would not approve it. So it may sound good to say that they could have just one guy sitting in an office with his certs signing for all the work in reality such a plan would probably not be accepted by the FAA. I dont know of anyone who has done it this way in the US.

 

[Bob Owens]

Bob
Where's SFO? You know something I don't?
Goey

OOps missed it, 16 class IIs, or are you guys back to being a class I again?

 

[Bob Owens]

Let's get a Owens' release, use that as leverage and show AA's ass who is charge!


Satire of Course

Was not invited.

 

[Kev3188]

Sure, you willing to reciprocate?

Thanks for the list. Here's what DL shows for staffed stations. Not for nothing, but some of these (ie OGG) only have 1-2 people listed on the seniority list...

ATL
BDL
BOS
BWI
CHS
CVG
DCA
DEN
DFW
DTW
EWR
FLL
HNL
JFK
LAS
LAX
LGA
MCO
MEM
MIA
MSP
OGG
PDX
PHL
SAN
SAV
SEA
SFO
SLC
TPA

Int'l:

GUM
NRT
TLV

 

[Slopoke]

OOps missed it, 16 class IIs, or are you guys back to being a class I again?

SFO is a class I again since it's doing the 737 Bck.

 

[TWU informer]

Was not invited.

:blink: Really? I wonder why?

 

[Bob Owens]

Thanks for the list. Here's what DL shows for staffed stations. Not for nothing, but some of these (ie OGG) only have 1-2 people listed on the seniority list...

ATL
BDL
BOS
BWI
CHS
CVG
DCA
DEN
DFW
DTW
EWR
FLL
HNL
JFK
LAS
LAX
LGA
MCO
MEM
MIA
MSP
OGG
PDX
PHL
SAN
SAV
SEA
SFO
SLC
TPA

Int'l:

GUM
NRT
TLV

Thanks, is that all mechanics or just A&Ps?

 

[Goey]

OOps missed it, 16 class IIs, or are you guys back to being a class I again?

For now we are a class I

 

[Flying low]

As far as guys bumping to the line from the bases I agree that the company plans on looking at the bases as a source of A&P mechanics for the line. Look at the TA we rejected and thats plain to see. Most of the gains were targeted towards the line and Horton has been running around break rooms on the line saying that the line wages are not the problem, the base is.

Sort of confirms that I've heard in the past. Horton doesn't want the O/H business.

 

[787nightmare]

This controvery has been going on for years. I asked Bill O'Brien (he was a frequent contributor to AMT Magazine, FAA official and an advocate of the profesion) many years back if an A&P is needed on the line. He told me that for all intensive purposes it is, even though the FARs are not clear on this. Here's why, to operate under FAR 121 the carrier has to present their maintenance plan to the FAA and if they included a plan that did not have A&Ps doing the work they probably would not approve it. So it may sound good to say that they could have just one guy sitting in an office with his certs signing for all the work in reality such a plan would probably not be accepted by the FAA. I dont know of anyone who
has done it this way in the US.

Well, like Strike said earlier, it's really a moot point. American, as well as every other carrier I know of, requires an a/p ticket to work the line. And I don't really see it changing.

 

[enough already]

Well, like Strike said earlier, it's really a moot point. American, as well as every other carrier I know of, requires an a/p ticket to work the line. And I don't really see it changing.

Is that another way of saying: "We've always done it that way!"?

 

[Kev3188]

Thanks, is that all mechanics or just A&Ps?

To pull that list, I just did a search for line mtc.