TWU negotiations.........what?

[787nightmare]

if that is the case, then it will only work if we allow it and shame on us if we let it happen

Chuck, with all due respect...
All one has to do is look around where I'm at-even as a new hire in this place(TULE) I can guarantee you the TWU will be able to pull it off. These ol boys around here know good and well that even $28/HR is pretty damn good money for Tulsa. Yeah they'll #### and belly ache about it, but this too will EVENTUALLY blow over.
Where the hell else are these guys gonna go? I'm mean really....up the turnpike to AAR OKC? Don't think so.
Again, for clarity, I speak of TULE. The line?... Don't see AA getting away with it-so easily.

 

[AV1]

Chuck, with all due respect...
All one has to do is look around where I'm at-even as a new hire in this place(TULE) I can guarantee you the TWU will be able to pull it off. These ol boys around here know good and well that even $28/HR is pretty damn good money for Tulsa. Yeah they'll #### and belly ache about it, but this too will EVENTUALLY blow over.
Where the hell else are these guys gonna go? I'm mean really....up the turnpike to AAR OKC? Don't think so.
Again, for clarity, I speak of TULE. The line?... Don't see AA getting away with it-so easily.

Just curious..............Do you ever see anything good? From your posts, you went to work in Seattle for Boeing. Could not stand it there. Quit and moved to Tulsa, of all things, to work for American. Now, even the current events dictate having certain attitudes, but now your complaining about your fellow workers. Just saying....................does anywhere in this field make you somewhat happy. If not, change jobs, again.

 

[Birdman]

These ol boys around here know good and well that even $28/HR is pretty damn good money for Tulsa. Yeah they'll #### and belly ache about it, but this too will EVENTUALLY blow over.

A 15% paycut will result in an even more hostile work environment with severe reductions in productivity. Those of you left on 1D should be well aware of how things go when manAAgement tampers with an exemplary crew.

 

[TWU informer]

A 15% paycut will result in an even more hostile work environment with severe reductions in productivity. Those of you left on 1D should be well aware of how things go when manAAgement tampers with an exemplary crew.

That is exaclty the reason why they will insert Unlmited Outsource language.
Severe reductions in productivity will then lead to a 100% paycut not 15%
The days of using production as a temper tantrum tool will be over.

The new deal will be called compete or lose your work and your job.

I think you have just explained our involvement in this Chapter 11 filing perfectly.

 

[enough already]

A 15% paycut will result in an even more hostile work environment with severe reductions in productivity. Those of you left on 1D should be well aware of how things go when manAAgement tampers with an exemplary crew.

The productivity in my lounge, errrr shop, could not get much worse. It is a prime example of the culture change that is going to have to take place with the "workers" and management, IF Tule is going to survive... :huh:

 

[787nightmare]

A 15% paycut will result in an even more hostile work environment with severe reductions in productivity. Those of you left on 1D should be well aware of how things go when manAAgement tampers with an exemplary crew.

They'll do there jobs or like Infomer says, they'll just outsource it ALL.
The work will be performed competively or TULE will lose it. Bottom line.

This is the day of reckoning I speak of. Business as usual is fast coming to an end!(IMHO)

 

[Buck]

Prior to the bankruptcy filing, the manager for Hangar 1/2 and in particularly the sub-manager for 1D, were having a difficult time obtaining qualified supervisors. Recently at least two contract supervisors have shown up on 1D. One of them worked base closure and the other was seen discussing issues with the manager. Just Info...

 

[Birdman]

That is exaclty the reason why they will insert Unlmited Outsource language.
Severe reductions in productivity will then lead to a 100% paycut not 15%
The days of using production as a temper tantrum tool will be over.

The new deal will be called compete or lose your work and your job.

I think you have just explained our involvement in this Chapter 11 filing perfectly.

Again, in the immediate future I believe there is little MRO capacity to absorb AA's vast need for heavy maintenance, not to mention statistically it's not profitable for them anyway. Knowing that, and before even seeing their proposal, its inappropriate for labor to be suggesting that a 15% paycut will be painfully accepted without consequence. Call it what you want, demanding manAAgement be held accountable and not my paycheck is not too much to ask.

 

[TWU informer]

Again, in the immediate future I believe there is little MRO capacity to absorb AA's vast need for heavy maintenance, not to mention statistically it's not profitable for them anyway. Knowing that, and before even seeing their proposal, its inappropriate for labor to be suggesting that a 15% paycut will be painfully accepted without consequence. Call it what you want, demanding manAAgement be held accountable and not my paycheck is not too much to ask.

I understand what you are saying, but we best be looking long term instead of immediate future unless you are about 62 years old.

Again. in Bankruptcy you will accept whatever the judge rules you will accept. Any issued consequences from our side will be met with more litigation and punishment.

I am not advocating a 15% paycut, I am saying the days of using threats of limiting production is not going to work or gain you anything but more misery. I still believe a payraise might come to those that are left.

I think that you will even find that once the risk of losing everything is made permanent, you will find your own peers teaming with management against any low productivity. :blink:

Given your past postings about unaccountable slugs, and conducting ourselves professionally, your current postings puzzle me. :blink:

 

[700UW]

There is plenty of capacity for MRO work WORLDWIDE!

You see they had no problem farming out the 757s to Timco, there are thousands of MROs around the world.

Do you realize UA and DL fly planes to China for overhaul, this is a global system, not just in the US.

 

[Birdman]

Given your past postings about unaccountable slugs, and conducting ourselves professionally, your current postings puzzle me. :blink:

Don't confuse standard practice with the exception to the rule. I'm strictly talking about the next 30 days and the fact that "pushback", if warranted, is the only means available to express contempt towards a manAAgement team of inferior quality.

There is plenty of capacity for MRO work WORLDWIDE!

You see they had no problem farming out the 757s to Timco, there are thousands of MROs around the world.

Do you realize UA and DL fly planes to China for overhaul, this is a global system, not just in the US.

How about capacity in this hemisphere for our narrowbodies, which is the majority of our fleet? Did you know that Tulsa is AA's exclusive narrowbody heavy maintenance base with 24+ docks, fully occupied BTW, complete with full backshop support staffed with trained AMT's with an average of 20+ years experience? FYI, it took AA several months to find an MRO to slot in four 757's, one at at time, and their first check was a train wreck. I say if Tulsa's manAAgement team can get their act together, that despite their fleet renewal plan the base can remain fully staffed.

 

[787nightmare]

Don't confuse standard practice with the exception to the rule. I'm strictly talking about the next 30 days and the fact that "pushback", if warranted, is the only means available to express contempt towards a manAAgement team of inferior quality.







How about capacity in this hemisphere for our narrowbodies, which is the majority of our fleet? Did you know that Tulsa is AA's exclusive narrowbody heavy maintenance base with 24+ docks, fully occupied BTW, complete with full backshop support staffed with trained AMT's with an average of 20+ years experience? FYI, it took AA several months to find an MRO to slot in four 757's, one at at time, and their first check was a train wreck. I say if Tulsa's manAAgement team can get their act
together, that despite their fleet renewal plan the base can remain fully staffed

AA will(has known)learn like the rest of the US carriers, as long as the check/paper work is complied with-they're good with it. Again, American will get there maintenance budget in line the rest of the industry regardless which cow gets slaughtered. There are none. Period.

It'll be interesting to see how much more AA intends to outsource and just what our pals at the TWU say the Co wants to pay us/ take in form of benes. I know one thing....MROs in the states and abroad are salivating over the prospects acquiring AAs airframe and comp maintenance. And are discussing how they can compete for, and accommodate -as I type this! You're kidding yourselves if you think otherwise.

 

[Rogallo]

I know one thing....MROs in the states and abroad are salivating over the prospects acquiring AAs airframe and comp maintenance.

The best MRO is right under their noses!!

http://aa-mro.com/company/

 

[Buck]

The best MRO is right under their noses!!

http://aa-mro.com/company/

Exactly, the only issue I see at the moment is three maintenance bases are advertised. How long that lasts, only the company knows.

 

[Birdman]

The best MRO is right under their noses!!

http://aa-mro.com/company/

Oh no, we can't have anyone thinking there's value in this place. Many on these boards want you on your knee's begging for mercy.