TWU negotiations.........what?

[High Speed Steel]

The point is that the OSM, made less than both AA and UA AMT's.


Again I ask the question, Overspeed, are OSM's AMT's?

Do you calculate them in the overall wage?

What is your hang-up with the OSM? You could answer your own question if you would read your contract book Buck. A true OSM is not an AMT it is very well defined as so. They cannot be staffed in areas requiring an A&P or high skill of an Aviation Maintenance Technician so there is no effect on an AMT's maintenance shop rate. Now for the areas they are staffed. I would assume there is a calculation for their shop rate for the work they do and common sense would dictate if you combine it with the overall in house maintenance then their wage is included in the total maintenance expense...So what really is your point? Or do you just have a cob up your butt with the OSM?

 

[Duke787]

$37.43 in 6months in addition to:

$1.00 per hour for longevity pay after 12 years

$1.00 per hour for run-up taxi


what they got coming out of bankruptcy shows how behind the 8 ball we have been.

You advocated voting down a raise, personal days, double time, more holidays, stop thinking YOU are putting us behind the 8 ball, so what OH would have to work weekends, then with the pre-funding I seriuosly doubt anyone from the vote NO coalition is an expert on insurance, not even the experts know what ins will look like 15 years from now.

Well you were successful in giving up $9k to every mech at AA, lets see how this new contract during BK will work out for us.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/12/02/the-bomb-buried-in-obamacare-explodes-today-halleluja/2/

 

[Buck]

What is your hang-up with the OSM? You could answer your own question if you would read your contract book Buck. A true OSM is not an AMT it is very well defined as so. They cannot be staffed in areas requiring an A&P or high skill of an Aviation Maintenance Technician so there is no effect on an AMT's maintenance shop rate. Now for the areas they are staffed. I would assume there is a calculation for their shop rate for the work they do and common sense would dictate if you combine it with the overall in house maintenance then their wage is included in the total maintenance expense...So what really is your point? Or do you just have a cob up your butt with the OSM?

Thanks for validating that you as a TWU supporter believes that a group of represented employees whose work was performed by former licensed A&P Mechanics is now performed by AMT underlings with no skill and that have little or no value to the union except for their dues. Since it was the TWU that allowed everything from the B-Scale to the OSM to be negotiated, now you openly degrade dues paying members.
By advocating that they are not used in the total calculation then you have proved my and others point that AA AMT's are truly the lowest paid in the industry.

As for long, round objects up the butt, you appear to be highly qualified with the subject and procedure. Is that what they teach you down on Pine street?

What do I have with OSM, they are my equal. Just as Fleet Service is yours

 

[Rogallo]

Thanks for validating that you as a TWU supporter believes that a group of represented employees whose work was performed by former licensed A&P Mechanics is now performed by AMT underlings with no skill and that have little or no value to the union except for their dues. Since it was the TWU that allowed everything from the B-Scale to the OSM to be negotiated, now you openly degrade dues paying members.
By advocating that they are not used in the total calculation then you have proved my and others point that AA AMT's are truly the lowest paid in the industry.

As for long, round objects up the butt, you appear to be highly qualified with the subject and procedure. Is that what they teach you down on Pine street?

What do I have with OSM, they are my equal. Just as Fleet Service is yours

Thumbs up, Buck!

 

[High Speed Steel]

Thanks for validating that you as a TWU supporter believes that a group of represented employees whose work was performed by former licensed A&P Mechanics is now performed by AMT underlings with no skill and that have little or no value to the union except for their dues. Since it was the TWU that allowed everything from the B-Scale to the OSM to be negotiated, now you openly degrade dues paying members.
By advocating that they are not used in the total calculation then you have proved my and others point that AA AMT's are truly the lowest paid in the industry.

As for long, round objects up the butt, you appear to be highly qualified with the subject and procedure. Is that what they teach you down on Pine street?

What do I have with OSM, they are my equal. Just as Fleet Service is yours

Wow, Buck!

I decided to just keep my response simple and go with my first instinct....lmao

 

[enough already]

Wow, Buck!

I decided to just keep my response simple and go with my first instinct....lmao

Yeah me too. But, because he's right!

 

[High Speed Steel]

Yeah me too. But, because he's right!

What? Buck said they are AMT underlings and have no skill and offer no value but goes on to consider himself their equal? That is what the man said....!

You believe he's right?......lmao at you too

 

[enough already]

What? Buck said they are AMT underlings and have no skill and offer no value but goes on to consider himself their equal? That is what the man said....!

You believe he's right?......lmao at you too

Thanks for validating that you as a TWU supporter believes that a group of represented employees whose work was performed by former licensed A&P Mechanics is now performed by AMT underlings with no skill and that have little or no value to the union except for their dues. Since it was the TWU that allowed everything from the B-Scale to the OSM to be negotiated, now you openly degrade dues paying members.
By advocating that they are not used in the total calculation then you have proved my and others point that AA AMT's are truly the lowest paid in the industry.

As for long, round objects up the butt, you appear to be highly qualified with the subject and procedure. Is that what they teach you down on Pine street?

What do I have with OSM, they are my equal. Just as Fleet Service is yours

Apparently you lack in reading and comprehensive skills too...

 

[High Speed Steel]

Apparently you lack in reading and comprehensive skills too...

Oh, I see. Since I'm a TWU supporter you and Buck believe I have somehow brought the SRP/OSM issue upon you as an A&P. Well for a little education for you. I voted "NO" in 1995 when the SRP classification came about. So I as a TWU supporter tried to help you hang onto this work that now belongs to the OSM. Seems the OSM is well qualified to do this work since they have been doing it for almost 17 years now efficiently, and with good quality regardless of how Buck feels about their abilities....

 

[Buck]

Oh, I see. Since I'm a TWU supporter you and Buck believe I have somehow brought the SRP/OSM issue upon you as an A&P. Well for a little education for you. I voted "NO" in 1995 when the SRP classification came about. So I as a TWU supporter tried to help you hang onto this work that now belongs to the OSM. Seems the OSM is well qualified to do this work since they have been doing it for almost 17 years now efficiently, and with good quality regardless of how Buck feels about their abilities....

I could care less how you voted. You support the organization that brought about the OSM/SRP and the B-C-D-E-F scales. You have been caught in your own lie and it seems everyone knows it but you.

 

[Boomer]

You advocated voting down a raise, personal days, double time, more holidays, stop thinking YOU are putting us behind the 8 ball, so what OH would have to work weekends, then with the pre-funding I seriuosly doubt anyone from the vote NO coalition is an expert on insurance, not even the experts know what ins will look like 15 years from now.

Well you were successful in giving up $9k to every mech at AA, lets see how this new contract during BK will work out for us.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/12/02/the-bomb-buried-in-obamacare-explodes-today-halleluja/2/

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You previously held that democracy in the TWU allowed the 2/3 rds rejection of the last TA for the M&R.
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Duke787
Posted 28 December 2011 - 08:58 PM

"NOBODY" on this or any forum knows anything about what is going to happen to the employees of AA until the section 1113 is presented to the unions by the company.

I don't know why all the animosity towards the TWU,

The failed to TA was voted down by the MAJORITY sounds democratic to me.
The negotiators for the failed TA were either voted out of office or were not part of the new negotiations, that sounds democratic.
The 1995, 2001, and 2003 contracts were voted in by the MAJORITY
The ATD is more then just AA, the TWU as a whole is not just the AA
There has not been overwhelming support for a new union, AMP started in TUL can't even get TUL on board with it. If I remember correctly AMFA was voted down by TUL. It seems to be less a TWU issue and more of a majority of the mechs want the TWU and there are a minority of the squeaky wheel type whiners complaining all the time.

And yes we don't vote on the international officers, but that would fall under no support for a new union, voting for international officers doesn't seem to be a considerable hurdle for the majority of AA mechs sense there is little support for a new union.
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Duke 787,

The whining from you and others that wished the TWU M&R would continue to subsidize the continued mismanagement of our airline is a song with the same refrain since 1983.

The TWU M&R gave in '83;
The TWU M&R gave in '89;
The TWU M&R gave in '93;
The TWU M&R gave in '95;

The TWU M&R, thanks to AMFA at UAL benefitted in '01;

The TWU M&R gave in '03;

The TWU M&R quit giving to AMR in 2010;

AMR filed for BK protection in 2011.

A Southern saying is that it takes a 2" x 4" to get the attention of a mule.

Albert Einstein is quoted as stating Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

I do not think you and others are bad people: I just hear fear in your postings.

I think the train has jumped the tracks; Little and company are seeking a path by which they will seek to spread the bites of the sh!te sandwich over the entire membership so as to retain the maximum numbers of dues members.

The significant event will be the posting of the cost-out for each article of the individual contracts versus the ask from each individual contract group.

If the TWU fails to post both the cost-out and the ask by contract group: we will know that the TWU International is managing the relative bite of the sh!te sandwich based on the retention of the maximum number of dues payors.

 

[eolesen]

Maybe it is time to put this thread out of it's misery. Negotiations as you knew it are over.... Start up a thread on the S1113 haircut you're going to take, or use one that's already active.

 

[TWU informer]

I agree and I will start the thread

 

[787nightmare]

"I think the train has jumped the tracks; Little and company are seeking a path by which they will seek to spread the bites of the sh!te sandwich over the entire membership so as to retain the maximum numbers of dues members."-Boomer

That is precisely what the snakes will seek to pull off...

 

[Chuck Schalk]

"I think the train has jumped the tracks; Little and company are seeking a path by which they will seek to spread the bites of the sh!te sandwich over the entire membership so as to retain the maximum numbers of dues members."-Boomer

That is precisely what the snakes will seek to pull off...

if that is the case, then it will only work if we allow it and shame on us if we let it happen