TWU negotiations.........what?

[eolesen]

I don't think that interpretation is entirely true. I understood that the APA negotiated a deeper pay cut initially in order to get work rule changes and training in place then have a partial snap back.

No, I'm fairly certain in my interpretation -- snapback implies status quo ante bellum.

You can flip the situation around to say it was partial restoration based on meeting certain productivity or financial targets, but that's really not the way it went down based on my seat in Centerport at the time.

APA's cuts of X% were based on AA's timeline for implementing those changes, which was seen as resulting in a lot of disruption to the membership.

APA countered with an extended phase-in period which was less disruptive to the membership, and as an offset for the longer phase-in, proposed an additional Y% cut for the duration of the extended phase-in. There were no criteria or thresholds, and no uncertainty about when the additional cuts would expire.

For it to be a snap-back, you'd have to have restoration of the associated workrules and rates, none of which happened.

What you were hypothesizing regarding targeted pay restoration would have been an interesting approach, but only if there had been some risk of the changes not being fully implemented due to conditions that the union had control over. Something to ponder for the S1113 discussion, perhaps...

 

[Rogallo]

TULE is flat out of control. I just don't see it....

You should see the line stations!!

 

[Buck]

You should see the line stations!!

That Rogallo really knows how to stir the s***t

 

[Rogallo]

That Rogallo really knows how to stir the s***t

I call it as I see it!!

 

[Birdman]

AA needs to update their aanegotiations website as UA passed their contract (69%).

 

[Mr Red]

Their is nothing to update we are still the LOWEST OF THE LOW,but I can hold my head up knowing we did'nt vote in an Industry Lower contract !

 

[Buck]

Their is nothing to update we are still the LOWEST OF THE LOW,but I can hold my head up knowing we did'nt vote in an Industry Lower contract !

Don't hold your head to high, because you are not the lowest. According to the released information, a link on another thread, at the date of ratification, dayshift 13>yrs service, $36.06 to $36.64 on evening shift, (mids). As of July 1, 2012 dayshift $36.92 and mids $37.50.

AA is $27.20 and 2.50 for each ticket, little or no shift differential and a small line premium. As a Crew Chief, on afternoons at OH, $33.95.

 

[Mr Red]

Don't hold your head to high, because you are not the lowest. According to the released information, a link on another thread, at the date of ratification, dayshift 13>yrs service, $36.06 to $36.64 on evening shift, (mids). As of July 1, 2012 dayshift $36.92 and mids $37.50.

AA is $27.20 and 2.50 for each ticket, little or no shift differential and a small line premium. As a Crew Chief, on afternoons at OH, $33.95.

You forgot to add in the 11,500.00 signing bonus,the return of benefits such as sick time,holiday pay.No we are bottom of barrel !!

 

[Chuck Schalk]

You forgot to add in the 11,500.00 signing bonus,the return of benefits such as sick time,holiday pay.No we are bottom of barrel !!

$37.43 in 6months in addition to:

$1.00 per hour for longevity pay after 12 years

$1.00 per hour for run-up taxi


what they got coming out of bankruptcy shows how behind the 8 ball we have been.

 

[paul1]

$37.43 in 6months in addition to:

$1.00 per hour for longevity pay after 12 years

$1.00 per hour for run-up taxi


what they got coming out of bankruptcy shows how behind the 8 ball we have been.

blame it on something.

But the truth is are guys just couldn't get it done. (I'm sure you will blame it on the med.) We are so much better in BK. GET REAL

 

[High Speed Steel]

$37.43 in 6months in addition to:

$1.00 per hour for longevity pay after 12 years

$1.00 per hour for run-up taxi


what they got coming out of bankruptcy shows how behind the 8 ball we have been.

See highlighted below from another thread....

At 12/31/01, UA had 13,105 mechanic and related on the payroll. Nine years later, on 12/31/10, UA's M&R ranks had fallen to just 4,728. That's nearly 8,400 jobs gone.

The Indianapolis facility was closed and 3,000 personnel were laid off. The Oakland facility was closed, costing another 700 jobs. More jobs were lost at the SFO overhaul facility and mechanics lost jobs all over the country as maintenance was outsourced.

Seems you're ignoring the obvious as usual Chuck. I don't know the current ranks at United but I would believe 4,700 or so would be reasonable. We at AA currently have 9,657 in Title 1 that is a far greater number than what is left at United. They closed Indy and lost 3,000. Closed Oakland and lost 700 more. Had significant losses at SFO from outsourcing from what I gather. I wonder if you have began to make notice to your members that they may be in for a jolt if TULE and AFW are negatively impacted. I can see it now, A&P's exorcising seniority via article 15 (i) (3) and tapping you on the shoulder and saying "step aside junior" I want me some of that $37.43 per hour.....Better check that occupational date. With your wish list, those with less than 1990 may be in for a wild ride off to the soup lines....

 

[TWU informer]

See highlighted below from another thread....

At 12/31/01, UA had 13,105 mechanic and related on the payroll. Nine years later, on 12/31/10, UA's M&R ranks had fallen to just 4,728. That's nearly 8,400 jobs gone.

The Indianapolis facility was closed and 3,000 personnel were laid off. The Oakland facility was closed, costing another 700 jobs. More jobs were lost at the SFO overhaul facility and mechanics lost jobs all over the country as maintenance was outsourced.

Seems you're ignoring the obvious as usual Chuck. I don't know the current ranks at United but I would believe 4,700 or so would be reasonable. We at AA currently have 9,657 in Title 1 that is a far greater number than what is left at United. They closed Indy and lost 3,000. Closed Oakland and lost 700 more. Had significant losses at SFO from outsourcing from what I gather. I wonder if you have began to make notice to your members that they may be in for a jolt if TULE and AFW are negatively impacted. I can see it now, A&P's exorcising seniority via article 15 (i) (3) and tapping you on the shoulder and saying "step aside junior" I want me some of that $37.43 per hour.....Better check that occupational date. With your wish list, those with less than 1990 may be in for a wild ride off to the soup lines....

Seems you are ignoring an important fact also.

The Meat Cleaver has not hit here at AA yet, but it is coming.

The experiment to lower wages and benefits to save jobs has failed. And you will soon no longer be so proud about numbers here at AA.

I bet it doesnt take 9 years to see it either.

Don't get fooled in to a belief that the TWU sitting on a committee is going the alter the outcome.
The only thing that has happened so far is Bob Owens has been muzzled.

Big Changes are coming, and you just hope to not become one of those statistics you love to spew.
We are in a small group and can only hope we are heard and counted.
Something like being a Who in Whoville and hoping Horton Hears a Who.

 

[Rogallo]

A&P's exorcising seniority and tapping you on the shoulder and saying "step aside junior" I want me some of that $37.43 per hour

Me too, I'm going to New York City. How much will $37/hr get me?

 

[paul1]

Me too, I'm going to New York City. How much will $37/hr get me?

where are you going to get $37 hr????????????????????

 

[Rogallo]

where are you going to get $37 hr????????????????????

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