I did not know that, thanks for update.
TWU negotiations.........what?
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I did not know that, thanks for update.
Mr Red
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REPUBLICON= u get what u deserve,u can look at IAM pay scale at Boeing and see a grade 4 installtion mech tops out at more than an AA mech and u dont need a license! WOW !
Frank Szabo
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You're only "stuck" because you choose to be.
Personally, I fail to understand why, after having foisted this worthless land called Okiehoma on the Indians and packed a lot of them in here why in hell the white boys wanted it back - damned fools.
TWU informer
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Got any proof that either of the Evil Two Parties have anything to with your claim?
Interesting how those that worship one party, blame the other party, yet there is not any proof of those claims.
It is as if emotions and trained behavior is more powerful than simple facts or truth.
Just show me any proof that a Pro-Democrat or Anti-Republican force is responsible and that Boeing Pay is a drect result of any political leaning.
I believe the Democrats have controlled the State House and Senate in Oklahoma for most of my 28 years at AA.
Why haven't they got me and other AMT's top pay?
What does the alias "Mr. RED" really stand for anyway?
Overspeed
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Chuck, you have your version of the truth in your head. When I was a board member my President would have the speaker phone on and we were joking about hearing your kids in the background. And that was during the week when you were supposed to be at work not at home.
So now you know I used to be on a local e board for many years after the maintenance locals started. I have been a shop steward in the past and worked arbitrating cases. Had enough of listening to people such as yourself pump up our members on BS stories of fields of gold. In the very next breath people like you would find ways to make sleeping on the job okay, farm out tank work because so-called mechanics did not want to do it, and protect whiners who want more money and don't even know the meaning of real work.
You want accountability for management but real accountability starts with yourself.
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Is that because the wages are depressed?
Or because the company chose to relocate?
Or it keeps the riffraff out?
787nightmare
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If that's directed at me, easy for you to say. I choose to recognize marriage is a two way street Buck.
There's a little more to it-marriage trouble when I left for Boeing-but repaired while commuting back/forth. Besides, her folks are as my own. And both of mine are gone on to be with the Lord. Plus, just too many BS issues with the 787 prog/Puget Sound area. uh-uh....wasn't gonna work for me/us.
I sometimes think that some of you guys that have had the luxury of being secure in your employment with AA for the last 20+ yrs(or so), really have no idea of what kind of a jungle it is out there. In spite of the numbers posted/seen, AMT jobs in comml aviation is still quite competitve and your odds of landing a job start to drop when reach your 50s. It's not hard to figure your age & companys are keenly aware of the increased likelyhood of gimped knees, backs and a host of other ailments that accompany guys my age.
Not raggin on anybody. But I read this board a whole lot more than I post(in hopes of some good rumour control info
........just brings a snort/smile some of the stuff I read on here about the employment/opportunitys out there. I hope I/we don't have to find out-(again).
787nightmare
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What are you doing at AA then? Go for it bubba...just be prepared for a HUGE increase in cost of living, housing & taxes for everything you use, do & enjoy. And stuck on stupid to no end(and a whole host of other lists of BS you must comply with at that corp welfare behemoth known as the lazy B, multitudes of clueless people that have no idea in the world how an airline environment operates)nor do they care. "We build the planes!"
AMTs at Boe are a grade 9(QA 10). They currently top at 37.07(1.50-wow lic prem, 2nd shift.75c, mids .10c-again wow). Good thing, they need every penny of it. There's a lot of OT hogs at Boe that'll lie to there mothers to wk every weekend. Scabs galore too. My feeling is, Boe will eventually bust the IAM up there-or very least transform it into another twu/AA sweetheart relationship. Almost there now...
Btw, a grade 5(unlic pos $32.74/hr, grade 4 $31.71)-not real sure, but I'm thinking that gr 5 is a QA pos in the factory that'll top an AA AMTs pay.(we're at around 32/hr top, right?-I never even was handed a twu contract book at new hire orien-(yes I know it's on jetnet)....the IAM at Boe gave us that at orientation)
But then....last time I checked, Boeing makes a little more money than AA. Of course, if the AMTs there actually had a craft union negotiating there contracts instead of another "catch all" union with every other group riding the AMTs, they probably could nego about $48/50 hr for it's pre-flight/delivery line mechs.
Esp considering how few there are compared to the factory bunch. But that goes cross grained to the ind unions twisted logic doesn't it? Nevermind...
Like Informer eluded to....I've never felt like a union man had to vote straight party line Dem. I've never seen that bunch actually demonstrate to me there superior legislative powers for the "working man"....except of course, for there taxes. Which I get homicidal over, if button pushed.
Neither party represents the American party any more. But we don't need to get off on that rabbit trail....
787nightmare
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I can attest to being poor is depressing Eric. And this is a poor state.
The twu & AA know it as well, and clearly intend on continuing to exploit that little fact.
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Not specifically directed at you, however as you say I have not had the "opportunity" to experience the industry as you have.If that's directed at me, easy for you to say. I choose to recognize marriage is a two way street Buck.
There's a little more to it-marriage trouble when I left for Boeing-but repaired while commuting back/forth. Besides, her folks are as my own. And both of mine are gone on to be with the Lord. Plus, just too many BS issues with the 787 prog/Puget Sound area. uh-uh....wasn't gonna work for me/us.
I sometimes think that some of you guys that have had the luxury of being secure in your employment with AA for the last 20+ yrs(or so), really have no idea of what kind of a jungle it is out there. In spite of the numbers posted/seen, AMT jobs in comml aviation is still quite competitve and your odds of landing a job start to drop when reach your 50s. It's not hard to figure your age & companys are keenly aware of the increased likelyhood of gimped knees, backs and a host of other ailments that accompany guys my age.
Not raggin on anybody. But I read this board a whole lot more than I post(in hopes of some good rumour control info
Sorry to hear about your issues with getting older, it does come to all of us eventually. Me, Two new shoulders, two new hips and a kidney. So yea being in one place has been a blessing for me.
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How could they acheive that kind of money if they don't work the line for a major airline?What are you doing at AA then? Go for it bubba...just be prepared for a HUGE increase in cost of living, housing & taxes for everything you use, do & enjoy. And stuck on stupid to no end(and a whole host of other lists of BS you must comply with at that corp welfare behemoth known as the lazy B, multitudes of clueless people that have no idea in the world how an airline environment operates)nor do they care. "We build the planes!"
AMTs at Boe are a grade 9(QA 10). They currently top at 37.07(1.50-wow lic prem, 2nd shift.75c, mids .10c-again wow). Good thing, they need every penny of it. There's a lot of OT hogs at Boe that'll lie to there mothers to wk every weekend. Scabs galore too. My feeling is, Boe will eventually bust the IAM up there-or very least transform it into another twu/AA sweetheart relationship. Almost there now...
Btw, a grade 5(unlic pos $32.74/hr, grade 4 $31.71)-not real sure, but I'm thinking that gr 5 is a QA pos in the factory that'll top an AA AMTs pay.(we're at around 32/hr top, right?-I never even was handed a twu contract book at new hire orien-(yes I know it's on jetnet)....the IAM at Boe gave us that at orientation)
But then....last time I checked, Boeing makes a little more money than AA. Of course, if the AMTs there actually had a craft union negotiating there contracts instead of another "catch all" union with every other group riding the AMTs, they probably could nego about $48/50 hr for it's pre-flight/delivery line mechs.Esp considering how few there are compared to the factory bunch. But that goes cross grained to the ind unions twisted logic doesn't it? Nevermind...
Like Informer eluded to....I've never felt like a union man had to vote straight party line Dem. I've never seen that bunch actually demonstrate to me there superior legislative powers for the "working man"....except of course, for there taxes. Which I get homicidal over, if button pushed.
Neither party represents the American party any more. But we don't need to get off on that rabbit trail....
How do you know what Timco charges ? Plus you throw in the bit about if it runs into extra days that Timco doesn't charge, well I doubt that's true. When I worked at AAR there was no set price for a repair, it depended on how many hours get put into it. Such a policy where they eat any delay would encourage them to not do the job right.
The fact is we will never see exactly how much TIMCO charges nor what it costs AA and even if we did every check is different because different things are found during the course of the check, no two are exactly alike.
787nightmare
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Buck, because:
A.) Boeing is a healthy, profitable Co(787 has been a MAJOR drain on cash though)
B.) There aren't near the number of line mechs at Boeing that an airline employs.(or vs factory emp....Boeing could easily afford that rate)
Again...moot point. Never happen with the IAM.
