enough already
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Being required to work on a Saturday or Sunday, without it being OT, is a concession for me no matter how you word it.... :angry:
TWU negotiations.........what?
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Being required to work on a Saturday or Sunday, without it being OT, is a concession for me no matter how you word it.... :angry:
You shouldn't have gotten into the airline industry,
I think line and OH need seperate contracts, line mechs are worried about pay and the bases are worried about daysoff.
I bet if AA sold off OH the base mechs would probably be making $40 an hour with weekends off at the new company. <_<
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Working in TULE on 1D is about to change. It wll still be 7 day coverage, but will modified to a 5/8's with one weekend day off. Another option, would be mids working 5/8's with Sat/ Sun off and days and afternoons working 4/10's with either Thurs, Fri and Sat. or Sun, Mon and Tuesday off.
Frank Szabo
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The only issue for the company should be facility utilization - there are still costs accruing when almost everybody has gone home for the day. None of their ideas address 100% use of the overhaul facilities, therefore, one has to conclude they're playing friggin' games.
24/7/365 is a given and understood re: line ops.
Doesn't the company have the ability to dictate the hours of work anyway?
Exactly B)
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I say let them manage their business....
There still the 7 day on and 7 days off coverage, 365 day years, 40 hr a week shift. Everyone get every other weekend off! Of course everyone would need to go to it. But hay why work something that fair to everyone, and has been around for 30 years. And it not the TWU idea so it's dead!!
Frank Szabo
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That IS one of the first statements in the contract book - "The company retains the right to manage (or mismanage) the business."
Parentheses mine.
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Or Article 28 b
Frank Szabo
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I really don't pay a whit of attention to that book anyway as company and union compliance with it seems to be optional after issuance of a LOA.
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Article 28
(B) The Union recognizes that the Company will have sole jurisdiction of the
management and operation of its business, the direction of its working force, the right to
maintain discipline and efficiency in its hangars, stations, shops, or other places of
employment, and the right of the Company to hire, discipline, and discharge employees
for just cause, subject to the provisions of this Agreement. It is agreed that the rights
enumerated in this Article will not be deemed to exclude other preexisting rights of
management not enumerated which do not conflict with other provisions of this Agreement.
(B) The Union recognizes that the Company will have sole jurisdiction of the
management and operation of its business, the direction of its working force, the right to
maintain discipline and efficiency in its hangars, stations, shops, or other places of
employment, and the right of the Company to hire, discipline, and discharge employees
for just cause, subject to the provisions of this Agreement. It is agreed that the rights
enumerated in this Article will not be deemed to exclude other preexisting rights of
management not enumerated which do not conflict with other provisions of this Agreement.
Frank Szabo
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After reading this, why is there an issue re: 5 day/7 day or whatever? It would appear management can dictate the working hours/shifts/days on/off etc.
WTF is the issue other than working weekends sucks big green ones? How did setting hours of work (by definition a company function) become a negotiable part of this contract in conflict with the article?
enough already
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All I'm saying is that if it has been a certain way for the past 50 years and you concede to change, by definition then it is a concession. If they want to pay me for it fine, but I'm still giving up something for something. <_<
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News Flash Gless petition now being circulated, sign now by clicking on this link. At time of writing it tops 300.
No-Confidence-In-Bob-Gless-Petition
News Flash Gless sighting at JFK on Friday June 10th, he managed to sneek in to get some paperwork done, and escaped without speaking to the very people who pay his $182,886.00 salary. He did come out with these gems:
"If oil keeps on going up, they're going to declare bankruptcy"This line sounds familiar.
"I've been talking to mechanics, and they'd better lower their expectations"We have you representing us, Bob, therefore our expectations couldn't get any lower.
"Don't expect a contract anytime soon"
Why don't you shut the **** up for once in your life Gless!
Gless and Videtich the patron saints of 'bend over and take it'.
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That's about to get changed to: "Being required to work on a first or second day off shall be considered OT..." I'll bet...
And the misery of working on the weekends really can be minimized by examples pointed out by another poster on this thread. A lot of carriers come up with schedules that keep the base operating 24/7, but offer one weekend day off, or a 4/10 sch to cover weekends. Point is, there's ways to spread the misery around, so no one dock or crew gets hosed weekly. This is a very doable deal with the company for some wins in compensation.
The line guys on nights really get the business. In most all cases, you're stuck on mids for a very long time. As if that's not bad enough, your days off suck big time.
This goes on forever... It takes A LOT of seniority for a guy to get off nights and get a piece of the weekends on second(retirement age for day shift!). Which...is why I too, feel like seperate agreements for Line and OH may have some kind of merit to it. Those that haven't "been there"...it really does suck.
