TWU negotiations.........what?

[Birdman]

<_< ------ Well, the only other alternative is to let your needs be known on the clock!------- Which frankly I haven't seen, or heard, happening!!! You'all want to set back and let this contract put on a silver platter and set down before you?----- Do something about it!!!------ The toothfairy ain't going to put it under your pillow!!!

It was proposed to Sam Cirri to admonish his members to spend more time with the family instead of helping AA maintain their razor thin maintenance schedules. He thought it was a baa baa baaad idea.

 

[FWAAA]

It was proposed to Sam Cirri to admonish his members to spend more time with the family instead of helping AA maintain their razor thin maintenance schedules. He thought it was a baa baa baaad idea.

Sam probably doesn't want to be held liable for encouraging an illegal job action.

 

[Frank Szabo]

It was proposed to Sam Cirri to admonish his members to spend more time with the family instead of helping AA maintain their razor thin maintenance schedules. He thought it was a baa baa baaad idea.

We have seen by the past actions of the International how easily a local president can be removed from office when the proper "loyalty" is not demonstrated.

Of course it's a bAAd idea - Little Jimmie told him so - he likes his job and office.

 

[Birdman]

Sam probably doesn't want to be held liable for encouraging an illegal job action.

Overtime is voluntary. Are you suggesting spending more time with ones family is not a good idea?

 

[FWAAA]

Overtime is voluntary. Are you suggesting spending more time with ones family is not a good idea?

Not at all. Individual workers are certainly free to decline overtime for any reason they deem worthy.

Union leaders cannot encourage their members to decline overtime - doing so risks judicial consequences.

I'm certain that you can see (and appreciate) the difference.

 

[eolesen]

Union leaders cannot encourage their members to decline overtime - doing so risks judicial consequences.

I'm certain that you can see (and appreciate) the difference.

Apparently Bob doesn't:

you guys need to break the unholy alliance your union has enterred into with the company where they are going to try and punish you for fighting for a fair contract by going after both of them, practice 110% compliance with the MM and sick outs around the Holidays, start a drive for a union to replace the IBT to put them on notice as well and demand that you get released. If they are going to allign to punish you guys by dragging things out and extending your suffering make them suffer as well.

Of course, he's talking to the UAL mechanics "as an outsider" but it sure looks like something that could fall into that "wink, wink, nod, nod" danger zone...

 

[Birdman]

Not at all. Individual workers are certainly free to decline overtime for any reason they deem worthy.

Union leaders cannot encourage their members to decline overtime - doing so risks judicial consequences.

I'm certain that you can see (and appreciate) the difference.

Let me get this straight. A couple of weeks ago there was a carnival in the AA parking lot. If the union had encouraged its members to attend, and as a result there was a 100% refusal of OT, there would have been judicial consequences? I believe a real union would say "bring it".

 

[Bob Owens]

YES Bob, I voted yes on T/A.
And as you have pointed out previously it was because I have no confidence in the TWU to get anything better.

And following your lead, after over 1 year now, the offer keeps getting worse. So far, who has been right?

If you are going to continue to bash me for voting yes, then at least demonstrate that I was wrong by showing us some financial improvement. While following your lead on the vote NO band wagon and the continuous scream for a release, nothing has changed except furniture movement. I personally think you are living a false hope and in the end it will be proven that it is not going to get any better but instead get worse.

How many jobs and how much in cash will this version of "save the profession" cost us Bob?

Well they cant just sell off 25% of the operation and throw the guys out on the street still.
They dont have SMAs doing mechanics work.
We all still have our retiree medical still.
Everyone still gets the Pension plan.
Retro is still on the table.
So is our preconcession IOD, Sick, Vacation and pretty much most of the Holiday terms.
You still work for AA.

The fact is if that contract had passed you could now be in the same place working for AAR instead of AA.

Is that your version of saving the profession?

 

[Bob Owens]

Overtime is voluntary. Are you suggesting spending more time with ones family is not a good idea?

Well, yes and no. Voluntary as long as they have enough volunteers.

 

[TWU informer]

Well they cant just sell off 25% of the operation and throw the guys out on the street still.
They dont have SMAs doing mechanics work.
We all still have our retiree medical still.
Everyone still gets the Pension plan.
Retro is still on the table.
So is our preconcession IOD, Sick, Vacation and pretty much most of the Holiday terms.
You still work for AA.

The fact is if that contract had passed you could now be in the same place working for AAR instead of AA.

Is that your version of saving the profession?

Sounds like a great contract Bob. And you have proved me worng.
When do I get the ballot?

 

[odie01]

Bob Owens,
Is Bob Gless on the twu negotiating committee for the international, thier is talk that he and the company are putting together our next TA?

 

[Bob Owens]

Sounds like a great contract Bob. And you have proved me worng.
When do I get the ballot?

You got it eight years ago, wasnt great, by a long sho,t but the one we rejected last year was even worse.

 

[Bob Owens]

Bob Owens,
Is Bob Gless on the twu negotiating committee for the international, thier is talk that he and the company are putting together our next TA?

Not that I know of.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

FAA inspections fault Philippine repair station – A repair station in the Philippines that services planes for nearly 50 airlines around the world has shown a pattern of stubborn problems that safety experts say underscore concerns about the airline industry's outsourcing of maintenance to facilities in developing countries. The Federal Aviation Administration inspections of Lufthansa Technik Philippines in Manila said the facility had repeated difficulties in following U.S. regulations on matters ranging from record keeping to calibrating tools used to make repairs. The records, which cover inspections from 2008 through last month, also cite recurring problems with training workers to FAA standards and unfamiliarity by in-house inspectors at Lufthansa Technik, a subsidiary of Lufthansa Airlines, with U.S. regulations. Lufthansa Technik's "quality assurance department demonstrated an inability to effectively audit the repair station for compliance … (Google - AP)

 

[787nightmare]

Southwest Airlines CEO Gary Kelly credits strong labor relations for helping build profits at the company, the most highly unionized of the major U.S. carriers.

"We feel that if we take care of our employees, they'll take care of customers and, in turn, that will take care of shareholders," he told Reuters.

Huuh, how's that for a business attitude toward your employees??


You guys desperately need to dump the TWU. It's beyond belief that the TULE mechanics can't see the light and make the change. Why is it AFW & DFW were AMFA strong back in that drive? Yet TULE mechanics (generally speaking)can't seem to leave "the husband that continues to beat the hell out of the wife"? Jeezzzz, just fricken amazing man.
I know...I'm preaching to the choir.