TWU negotiations.........what?
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Ken MacTiernan
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Congratulations to UAL AMTs! Fight the good fight! Standing up against greedy management AND unaccountable industrial unions is not impossible. We at AA proved it and now you did. As Mr. Owens states:
START THE CLOCK!
START THE CLOCK!
What have we proved?? I'm still making the same amount as last year. and the year before that and etc..............
TWU informer
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Haven't you heard? We are in the process of "Saving the Profession"!
What concerns me is that since last year's T/A the offer has now lowered to everyone losing retirement medical instead of just those 49 and under, and in addition Scope language has taken huge leap backwAArds.
Time will tell though, Paul.
I am not sure where this ends up, but I do know a strike leads to NO WINNERS!
Mr Red
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SPIDER HOLE! I love it.
If we had voted YES we would still be making less than we were in 2003. We proved that we will not settle for the crumbs the company wants to give us after we doubled our productivity and the company saw their revenues soar.
We need to get released.
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Does a release really equate to movement by the company in our direction? I am not so sure that is the case.
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<_< -------TWU informer, I think what he's trying to say is that you have to bring this thing to a head. --------- But I think you know that!------- Or are you satisfied with the status quo?
Its my understanding that are productivity is at a all time high esp. in tulsa
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Status Quo could be better depending on the number of scabs that come out of the wood work. Go back and look at what happened to the IAM during the Alaska Airlines Strike. Scabs flooded the gates and before it was all said and done, the closed shop was lost. I am not convinced of the strike authorization strength given the attachment to the NO vote. The International placed that language on the ballot to fear members into voting yes, the members didn't buy into that old and worn out TWU tactic, but regardless this still leaves questions in my mind about the strength and resolve.
What if we get released and the company lowers their offer even further in preparation for imposing terms of an agreement? My point is that the during a release or expiration of the 30 days, the Union is not the only player with tools at their disposal. Everyone can pretend it will be one-sided favoring the union but I am not so sure, nor is that truthful strategy. I am also not sure Bob's arguements are going to hold up in a P.E.B. or binding arbitration either. So call me a wuss again, or coward, or whatever, but I view my opinions at looking at all aspects of the facts instead of just chest thumping that could lead to a serious mistake.
The worst thing we could do right now is proceed only on emotion and ignore all of the facts or possibilites.
Telling me to get in a Spider Hole, or calling me names will not change the facts. It might make some of those that run on 100% emotion feel better, but the facts will still remain.
United and Delta both earned over a billion dollars in net income last year yet UA wasn't willing to dramatically increase mechanic pay and non-union DL mechanics don't earn anywhere near as much as WN AMTs yet elected leaders of the worthless union believe that AA (the only money-losing airline last year) will magically open up pots of hidden gold to pay the increase AMT pay if they are released from mediated negotiations.
Looks like they're in a hurry to earn zero.
Looks like they're in a hurry to earn zero.
Hopeful
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Thankfully, the UAL guys had the guts to reject their POS TA...
They need a deal quick so they can move closer to their merger with CAL....
Losing money is easy, AA is proof of that, all you have to do is spend more than you bring in, or just claim you did. AA's revenues have soared, up around $5 billion last year over 2002, everytime you open a paper you can see were they are either buying new planes, upgrading older ones, or refurbishing terminals where the grout hasent even set from the last refurbishment. They have 40,000 less employees and 200 less airplanes plus $5 billion more in Revenue and they still arent showing a profit, if they truly are struggling then there is no hope anyway, lets get what we can and let them shut their doors that much sooner so the carriers that can make money will expand since there really isnt too much excess capacity anymore. All we are looking for is $192 million out of that $50000 million they are bringing in. Not even 4%.
I've never earned zero, if you look you can always find a place to bring your tools. Most people dont have them and fewer know how to use them.
Walmart is one of the most profitable companies out there yet they arent in a rush to pay people good wages. Delta is non-union and despite the fact that they pay better than AA a couple of their guys were recently hired by AA. UAL is simply being greedy, like Walmart.
Lets see what happens now that they rejected the TA, maybe we should get in touch with each other on a grass roots level and coordinate our actions, because if we get released we dont have to strike, we can engage in CHAOS, and one of the things about CHAOS is that when mechanics do it we clean up on OT. One of the beautiful things about an airplane is once you find one problem it puts you into areas where you can easily find more. Things that could go to a C check if not discovered earlier have to be addressed one way or another if discovered.
