TWU negotiations.........what?

[UAL_TECH]

Is is Albert ? Not sure it is not a very good picture.

So you are telling me that you do not work for AA but you are on an AA board since you do not work for AA
you cannot be fired by AA and there is very little chance of anyone from AA knowing who you are and you
still are afraid to give your name. what could you possibly have to lose by giving your name in
your particular situation, I could see if you worked for AA and shot your mouth off that you might be concerned,
about getting fired, but you don't even work at AA.

Are you some kind of freak? why are you even on an AA thread shouldn't you be on your own Airlines thread or
on the unemployment thread etc.
you must really not have a life if you cruise Airline boards that you don't even work for.

You definetly took me by surprise, I would never have assumed anyone would have such a suck life as to have nothing to
do in their life but hang out on a bulletin board of an Airline they don't even work for. My god your pathetic.

Yea, what's up with that
Sadly, we do not have one Union but you 'must' :blink: know that what you do effects us all.
(Thanks for B Scale and a progression scale)
But then again, you’re a lemming. You are not an unusual creature as we have many at UAL as well.

 

[TWU-GOTTA-GO]

(Thanks for B Scale and a progression scale)

You forgot, the flex benefits, prefunding retirement medical, SRP/OSM's, and that's before stepping up and giving the industry the ultimate concession package. :mf_boff: Expect more of the same with the likes of Raptor voting in crAAp contracts. :down:

 

[Raptor]

Yea, what's up with that
Sadly, we do not have one Union but you 'must' :blink: know that what you do effects us all.
(Thanks for B Scale and a progression scale)
But then again, you’re a lemming. You are not an unusual creature as we have many at UAL as well.

I take it you don't work for AA either :unsure:

Does anyone on this AA board ACTUALLY work for AA :unsure:

Think about this there are some 80,000 people working for AA, there are maybe 30 people on this AA board and it appears that half
of them don't even work for AA, so that leaves maybe 10 people on this board that actually work for AA.

One could very easily get the impression/percepion that nobody really cares about any of this stuff, or they would be here.

I am sure the other Airlines have boards on US Aviation as well, why would you guys want to be on our board and in
our business as opposed to your own board and your own business. ? I really don't understand that.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

I still don't understand this whole negotiating thing they speak of! It is very simple, Let the company state what they are willing to give back what they took and then we will decide if their offer is what we are looking for. Why are we asking!!! They took, they can give back!! If that was me, I would have asked for the companies offer on wages and benefits right now as we head into the holiday season. I am so tired of this union (TWU) selling us an empty crate of false promises! Either the TWU is totally incompetent or they are working with the company. I have no other reasoning for the lack of what they do for their members!!!

 

[Chuck Schalk]

The TWU will be true to form and remain silent through the holidays. The TWU Int'l will hold their holiday festivities, pat each other on the back and celebrate their great accomplishments and fantastic representation now and to come. Do they really believe in what they say to each other?

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

Thank god they got the language on the bulletine boards out of the way




My bet is they drag the contract out for two years then offer us another exstension


:down:

 

[700UW]

The pay rates for US are wrong, there have been raises since the final offer was voted in.

I mechanic is over $24 and Stock Clerks are arounnd $17

 

[TWU informer]

Thank god they got the language on the bulletine boards out of the way

Yeah and they wasted no time on Article 38 to insure we pay our dues to the piece of crap union in a timely matter under threat of termination.

This is of course vital to a non-democratic company lapdog union. The membership must and will pay dues first and foremost, then they can discuss our livelyhood or I should say more quid-pro-quo concessions as it has been in the past.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Read the transcript from Lou Dobbs. This tells me that the AFL/CIO and the unions that support them are not part of the solution of Illegal immigration and taking american jobs for less pay but more part of the problem. The AFL/CIO sees dollar signs to support and organize illegal immigrants. Not support the workers to hold on to wages that will support a family. The AFL/CIO like the Corporate America follow the money! American Workers are doomed!!



DOBBS: Why in the world is the ACLU not filing suit against the proponents of the comprehensive immigration reform since it proposed to bring 12 to 20 million illegal aliens into a path for citizenship and CIS is so screwed up it can't handle the legal immigrants trying to enter the country?

GUTTENTAG: The DHS can't handle its job. That's a problem. We agree with that. And we agree you know you want to protect American workers. This rule has a problem with that. The American workers need protected so they wouldn't be unlawfully fired. This rule doesn't protect American workers.

DOBBS: You're all for border security?

GUTTENTAG: Sure, look. The government can enforce the immigration laws. Do it consistent with the constitution and the rule of law. I want to focus on the rule. What this rule would have done.

DOBBS: This administration has caved in to you, the AFL-CIO, all of the folks that are advocates who are talking about being activists. I mean it's ridiculous.

GUTTENTAG: I don't know whoa they caved in to but I know that this rule ...

DOBBS: The AFL-CIO that doesn't know the difference between an illegal worker and a legal worker. They're misrepresenting themselves to their membership and doing them a great disservice. I mean it's ridiculous.

GUTTENTAG: I think you ought to let them speak. That's not accurate.

DOBBS: It is accurate, by the way. We asked them come on and they didn't. I think this is important. You tell me the ACLU's position, what would permit us to determine whether an employer has hired an illegal alien?

GUTTENTAG: Michael Chertoff ought to be looking at his own agency and the problems in his agency. There's not a proper database. They're trying to use one that's full of errors.

DOBBS: I understand that. We're stipulating to it. What is the ACLU's position since you're concerned about enforcing immigration laws, what's your recommendation, the lawful way to do it under the constitution?

GUTTENTAG: Let me star with the first thing which is we could have an administration that enforces the labor laws.

DOBBS: I'm with you. That's not germane to the question I asked you. I would love to have labor unions that represented labor instead of big business and illegal alien aliens. We don't have that either.

GUTTENTAG: I think we do.

DOBBS: I think you're wrong. Who was your co-plaintiff, is AFL- CIO. They should be embarrassed out of their minds.

GUTTENTAG: OK, let's focus on the critical thing, and that is...

DOBBS: The focus on the critical thing is the question I asked...

GUTTENTAG: Right...

(CROSSTALK)

DOBBS: What would satisfy the ACLU constitutionally as a way to stop the illegal hiring of illegal aliens?

GUTTENTAG: Enforcement of the law in a way that's consistent with the Constitution and the requirements of the statutes as written, not rules that violate the law and that violate the Constitution and punish innocent American workers. And there are laws that can do that that requires an accurate database. And it has to be done consistent with the American values that we share, of fairness and due process and respect for the rule of law.

DOBBS: We're... GUTTENTAG: Yes?

DOBBS: We're out of time. We're going to lose that satellite any second.

GUTTENTAG: OK. All right, thank you.

DOBBS: Lucas Guttentag, we than you very much, from the ACLU in San Francisco.

GUTTENTAG: Thanks for having me.

DOBBS: Up next, the Department of Homeland Security is under fire -- imagine that -- that story is next. Stay with us. We'll be right back.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Just as I expected form the TWU all is quiet on the western front. Bringing in an outsider to oversee the bases and from the military smells like something is up for the future of the bases. They are looking to have the bases run like the clock of the military. There is also undercurrent issues delaing with third party work and the bases as a whole. Stay tuned you are assured changes are coming and with the blessings of your representation.

 

[Wretched Wrench]

Bringing in an outsider to oversee the bases and from the military smells like something is up for the future of the bases. They are looking to have the bases run like the clock of the military.

Time and again, the military was unable to keep a plane flying, and civilian transport had to be arranged, often after several days on a Pacific island while excuses played out. This from an officer who reported directly to CINCPAC. I am not sure AA can learn much from the military as far as maint goes.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

American is recalling mechanics and at the perfect time for negotiations. The TWU of course will take credit for this is shape or form due to their aggressive union activity! This is so typical of a cozy company-union relationship. Here we go again!!!!

 

[TWU informer]

American is recalling mechanics and at the perfect time for negotiations. The TWU of course will take credit for this is shape or form due to their aggressive union activity! This is so typical of a cozy company-union relationship. Here we go again!!!!

Indeed we have seen this same dog and pony show for years, it would actually be comical if not for our livelyhood and profession being in the balance.

It is like clockwork and the outcome predicatable.

 

[Bob Owens]

American is recalling mechanics and at the perfect time for negotiations. The TWU of course will take credit for this is shape or form due to their aggressive union activity! This is so typical of a cozy company-union relationship. Here we go again!!!!

Well all we have to do is explian to those who came back that they would have been back a long time ago but the TWU was too busy trying to help the company squeeze more work out of lower paid people. It finally got to the point where nobody was willing to do more so they had to call these people back.

From what I've heard they are averaging less than 20% on the recalls. Eight out of ten are saying "No thanks" or something less civil.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Quote of the Day:

"Find out just what the people will submit to and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."
- Frederick Douglass


This has been the bylaws of our company/union relationship