TWU negotiations.........what?

[High Speed Steel]

WOW, HSS...How do you feel about little's secretary making TWO TIMES the money you do?

Please defend the TWU for all to read!

I really don't care how much a secretary is paid or if she has a Pink Cadillac like a Mary Kay lady because it makes no difference or effect on where our income comes from...

How is your logic of stripping her of her income going to gain you anything?

 

[Frank Szabo]

How coincidental,

I had a little fun with your parallel a couple of weeks ago when one of our known groupies from the "TWU whiners club" came by to visit......You should have seen the look in his face when I tossed him your Northworst scenario...LOL

I'm quite certain you did have some fun - did that person leave wearing your typical gift of aluminum tape spurs and foam antlers?

This must have been a totally new direction for you. I'm happy to see that you, as a former "union" officer, are broadening your horizons. By the time you can retire, your pranks may make it to high school level after all.

For now, at least you're easily entertained - maybe they ARE putting something in the popcorn ...

 

[High Speed Steel]

I'm quite certain you did have some fun - did that person leave wearing your typical gift of aluminum tape spurs and foam antlers?

This must have been a totally new direction for you. I'm happy to see that you, as a former "union" officer, are broadening your horizons. By the time you can retire, your pranks may make it to high school level after all.

For now, at least you're easily entertained - maybe they ARE putting something in the popcorn ...

I can't help if Frank, sorry one of your buddies got loose and came to see me and I sent him off with his bottom lip hanging out....

 

[Hopeful]

I really don't care how much a secretary is paid or if she has a Pink Cadillac like a Mary Kay lady because it makes no difference or effect on where our income comes from...

How is your logic of stripping her of her income going to gain you anything?

You just don't get it, do you?

The TWU helped AA rape us and force feed us concessions, while those at the top of TWU food chain DID NOT SHARE THE SACRIFICE?

Did Little take a paycut?
Gless?
Videtich?
Conley?
Little's secretary????????????????????????

I care how much they are paid but I HAVE NO SAY IN WHAT THEY ARE PAID?



DO YOU??????????????????????????

 

[Hopeful]

I can't help if Frank, sorry one of your buddies got loose and came to see me and I sent him off with his bottom lip hanging out....

Enjoy your cockiness while it lasts...
Let's see your attitude after the Company tells the TWU where to go after they present the financial package at the next negotiation session.
After they tell the TWU to pound salt.......AMP will take another step closer to reality.

 

[TWU informer]

How coincidental,

I had a little fun with your parallel a couple of weeks ago when one of our known groupies from the "TWU whiners club" came by to visit......You should have seen the look in his face when I tossed him your Northworst scenario...LOL

Regardless of opinions because everyone is entitled to their own. The one thing that cannot be ignored is that those that whine about the TWU as you put it, out number those that are deeply supportive of the TWU by at least 2 to 1. Even those that have not signed an AMP card out of fear are not avid supporters of the Docile TWU. On a regular more than daily basis, I visit with a member wearing a TWU t-shirt or hat that is bitching like hell about the TWU. In fact I can count the hardcore supporters of the Union that I know on one hand.

You and others may indeed be anti-change and anti representational vote, but that doesn't equate to a strong unifed union that will be able to stand up and represent you in a manner that would be worth two hours pay per hour month. In fact removing information from view of the membership, using fear to advance your position, and doing everything in your power to PREVENT a representational vote is actually very counter productive to obtaining a unified strong union. And instead these activities leave open the door of doubt of amount of union support. The only way to ever know and put this issue to rest is to have the vote and educate those that would refuse to accept the majority rule outcome of the dangers of not accepting the results of the vote.

This membership is divided, and until the VOTE actually takes place, we will continue to be represented by a union in which the support is always in question. Last time I checked, putting issues to a VOTE is the mainstay of our freedom and principles that make America great. Yet, you and others within the TWU not only fear the vote but also do everything within your power to keep from ever knowing the majority will of the members of the union. I wonder sometimes if you and others have under shirts on that have a hammer and sicle printed on them. And also wonder how you believe that defending the TWU in the manner you choose will result in the type of union we all deserve. No VOTE equals guaranteed continuation of the debate and regular card signing drives, and this equals a weak and dis-engaged membership, which equals WEAK UNION, which equals further failures that will cost you or future members dearly. Just think about in Logical Terms instead of Emotional Terms.

 

[High Speed Steel]

Regardless of opinions because everyone is entitled to their own. The one thing that cannot be ignored is that those that whine about the TWU as you put it, out number those that are deeply supportive of the TWU by at least 2 to 1. Even those that have not signed an AMP card out of fear are not avid supporters of the Docile TWU. On a regular more than daily basis, I visit with a member wearing a TWU t-shirt or hat that is bitching like hell about the TWU. In fact I can count the hardcore supporters of the Union that I know on one hand.

You and others may indeed be anti-change and anti representational vote, but that doesn't equate to a strong unifed union that will be able to stand up and represent you in a manner that would be worth two hours pay per hour month. In fact removing information from view of the membership, using fear to advance your position, and doing everything in your power to PREVENT a representational vote is actually very counter productive to obtaining a unified strong union. And instead these activities leave open the door of doubt of amount of union support. The only way to ever know and put this issue to rest is to have the vote and educate those that would refuse to accept the majority rule outcome of the dangers of not accepting the results of the vote.

This membership is divided, and until the VOTE actually takes place, we will continue to be represented by a union in which the support is always in question. Last time I checked, putting issues to a VOTE is the mainstay of our freedom and principles that make America great. Yet, you and others within the TWU not only fear the vote but also do everything within your power to keep from ever knowing the majority will of the members of the union. I wonder sometimes if you and others have under shirts on that have a hammer and sicle printed on them. And also wonder how you believe that defending the TWU in the manner you choose will result in the type of union we all deserve. No VOTE equals guaranteed continuation of the debate and regular card signing drives, and this equals a weak and dis-engaged membership, which equals WEAK UNION, which equals further failures that will cost you or future members dearly. Just think about in Logical Terms instead of Emotional Terms.

First you respond to my post as if someone had crapped their pants, and now this...LOL

Has somebody filed for an representational election Informer? What do you mean I'm trying to keep the membership from voting? Voting on what? I do however recall you bringing me a copy of a constitution that you wanted me to read and I have taken the liberty to respond to what I read...Sorry my responses have not met your level of approval, but I have a right to disagree....hammer and sicle?....geeeeezzz

 

[strikeforce]

Regardless of opinions because everyone is entitled to their own. The one thing that cannot be ignored is that those that whine about the TWU as you put it, out number those that are deeply supportive of the TWU by at least 2 to 1. Even those that have not signed an AMP card out of fear are not avid supporters of the Docile TWU. On a regular more than daily basis, I visit with a member wearing a TWU t-shirt or hat that is bitching like hell about the TWU. In fact I can count the hardcore supporters of the Union that I know on one hand.

You and others may indeed be anti-change and anti representational vote, but that doesn't equate to a strong unifed union that will be able to stand up and represent you in a manner that would be worth two hours pay per hour month. In fact removing information from view of the membership, using fear to advance your position, and doing everything in your power to PREVENT a representational vote is actually very counter productive to obtaining a unified strong union. And instead these activities leave open the door of doubt of amount of union support. The only way to ever know and put this issue to rest is to have the vote and educate those that would refuse to accept the majority rule outcome of the dangers of not accepting the results of the vote.

This membership is divided, and until the VOTE actually takes place, we will continue to be represented by a union in which the support is always in question. Last time I checked, putting issues to a VOTE is the mainstay of our freedom and principles that make America great. Yet, you and others within the TWU not only fear the vote but also do everything within your power to keep from ever knowing the majority will of the members of the union. I wonder sometimes if you and others have under shirts on that have a hammer and sicle printed on them. And also wonder how you believe that defending the TWU in the manner you choose will result in the type of union we all deserve. No VOTE equals guaranteed continuation of the debate and regular card signing drives, and this equals a weak and dis-engaged membership, which equals WEAK UNION, which equals further failures that will cost you or future members dearly. Just think about in Logical Terms instead of Emotional Terms.

Iv'e heard enough he said, she said.....if the mechanics of AA want real negotiations from this company.....I mean serious stuff....everything we lost since 2003; 3% retro back to 2003; cola increases of 3% per year; decrease in medical premiums, and 100% pension then everyone on this chat line better get serious about doing our jobs......VERBATIM!!! I mean everyone! Stop whining about nothing. Sitting here and whining about the TWU leadership will change nothing at the table. If we're going to show AA about how serious we really are about negotiations......then damn it let's do it!!!!!!! I really don't care if it's the TWU, AMP, or Jimmy Hoffa leading the way........but let's get organized and really show AA who's in the driver seat at the table. Until then.....Stop Whining!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[odie01]

Iv'e heard enough he said, she said.....if the mechanics of AA want real negotiations from this company.....I mean serious stuff....everything we lost since 2003; 3% retro back to 2003; cola increases of 3% per year; decrease in medical premiums, and 100% pension then everyone on this chat line better get serious about doing our jobs......VERBATIM!!! I mean everyone! Stop whining about nothing. Sitting here and whining about the TWU leadership will change nothing at the table. If we're going to show AA about how serious we really are about negotiations......then damn it let's do it!!!!!!! I really don't care if it's the TWU, AMP, or Jimmy Hoffa leading the way........but let's get organized and really show AA who's in the driver seat at the table. Until then.....Stop Whining!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree with what you are saying and personally I have started to work smarter and safer, it's contagious, and others will follow. I do believe the union at the local level should have some sort of safety stand-down, I don't think that can be considered a job action, since we've been in negotiations since May 08 and no end in sight for a reasonable TA in the future, why wait for safety?

 

[Frank Szabo]

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I do believe the union at the local level should have some sort of safety stand-down, ...
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That, in the case of the mighty 514 and probably most other locales, would be the equivalent of asking the company for a stand down.

You ain't gonna get one by simply asking for it.

 

[strikeforce]

I agree with what you are saying and personally I have started to work smarter and safer, it's contagious, and others will follow. I do believe the union at the local level should have some sort of safety stand-down, I don't think that can be considered a job action, since we've been in negotiations since May 08 and no end in sight for a reasonable TA in the future, why wait for safety?

Who said anything about a job action. Doing your job by the MM, GPM, and all the other manuals VERBATIM is not considered a job action. Does the company want you to do your job verbatim.....hell no, nothing would move. But, this is the ace in hole the union has for leverage. Unfortunately, the mechanics are too scared to use it. I would love to see our union leaders go to jail because AA accused us of some sort of job action. Wouldn't you? Get the ball rolling.....it will be contagious.

 

[odie01]

Who said anything about a job action. Doing your job by the MM, GPM, and all the other manuals VERBATIM is not considered a job action. Does the company want you to do your job verbatim.....hell no, nothing would move. But, this is the ace in hole the union has for leverage. Unfortunately, the mechanics are too scared to use it. I would love to see our union leaders go to jail because AA accused us of some sort of job action. Wouldn't you? Get the ball rolling.....it will be contagious.

To scared or not willing to give up their, double double single, unlimited CS's, midnight cat nap, ect. The company and the twu have these people right where they want them, they are under control . To bad it's all about me, instead of us, that is why we need local help.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

To scared or not willing to give up their, double double single, unlimited CS's, midnight cat nap, ect. The company and the twu have these people right where they want them, they are under control . To bad it's all about me, instead of us, that is why we need local help.

right on the money odie. Too much me me me. Just stick to the published proceedures guys/gals.

 

[strikeforce]

To scared or not willing to give up their, double double single, unlimited CS's, midnight cat nap, ect. The company and the twu have these people right where they want them, they are under control . To bad it's all about me, instead of us, that is why we need local help.

Right on! can't argue with that. Probably why we'll never get back what we lost!

 

[Birdman]

Bump! We just can't have this going to the second page.