TWU/IAM Members: How Long Will Negotiations Take?

[Koolcat]

Rogallo is correct.  For how many years now have we heard that American Mechanics will start a card drive and fire their current representation?  It's been well over 20 plus years.  This latest move by these two unions combining and becoming this association that was FORCED onto the membership without a vote was more than likely the final nail in the coffin for the AA mechanics, it will pretty much seal the deal for life.  I would indeed wish you guys all the luck to get rid of them but now you would have to collect, what, almost double the cards you had to collect before?  Rogallo will win the bet by a long shot.  Wanting it or not, you guya are stuck with this association for life...

I keep hearing the word "Force" but again would you have voted for "no union" on that ballot just to get rid of the TWU. If you say yes, take your chances with no contract for a year then that's idiotic.

Go ask the United mechanics on the merry-go-round they are on with getting rid the iam then moving on to amfa and then finally to ibt and once again looking for another union.

 

[swamt]

I keep hearing the word "Force" but again would you have voted for "no union" on that ballot just to get rid of the TWU. If you say yes, take your chances with no contract for a year then that's idiotic.

Go ask the United mechanics on the merry-go-round they are on with getting rid the iam then moving on to amfa and then finally to ibt and once again looking for another union.

It was FORCED!!!  Where you been?  There was no vote for the association. And IF there would have been a vote, why in the world would ANY union put non-union as an option? I will tell you why, to scare the living day lights out of the membership that they will go non-union if they do not vote for this association (which BTW is complete BS too)  you guys fell for it hook line and sinker.  The very day that this association was announced by the unions to join I warned and warned that it was going to be forced upon you guys. Most blew me off as just being an AMFA supporter and causing misinformation.  Now how do you all feel. I proved 700 completely wrong and to this day he will not answer my question as well as others of WHY the membership never got a chance to vote on the association.  Keep believing everything this association tells you and see where you will end up at retirement time.  Look at all the retirees fixin to get their retirement checks cut in half and up to 70% with no say so what so ever. You guys better run like hell from this pension the association is trying to force, YES, FORCE you guys into.  You really need to get a clue if you think this association was not FORCED upon the membership, period...

 

[700UW]

Your posts shows you don't know about elections and the NMB..

The ballot would have read:

IAM
TWU
OTHER
NO UNION

That's how it works now.

 

[dfw gen]

Your posts shows you don't know about elections and the NMB..

The ballot would have read:

IAM
TWU
OTHER
NO UNION

That's how it works now.

geez just to have a chance to pick "other"

 

[Koolcat]

Your posts shows you don't know about elections and the NMB..
The ballot would have read:
IAM
TWU
OTHER
NO UNION
That's how it works now.

What other ????
And the twu and iam where not competitors, they filed jointly

 

[700UW]

For the association it would be

Association
Other
No representation

 

[1AA]

NO vote = NO Peace.

ONE Union = ONE Voice.

Not a difficult concept of unionism. Too bad money and greed has steered the path of unions away from their initial intention.

 

[700UW]

Why has it worked for the CWA/IBT?

 

[CMH_GSE]

Why has it worked for the CWA/IBT?

Has it?
Let's see how fabulous it's working in a few years when the full brunt of what they just voted in is felt.
That contract sucked, and it's going to outsource a good number of them down the road.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

I keep hearing the word "Force" but again would you have voted for "no union" on that ballot just to get rid of the TWU. If you say yes, take your chances with no contract for a year then that's idiotic.

Reading on here how the unions (except maybe the pilot unions) have genrally screwed over their membership working at the airlines, the "no union" option might have been the best one.  Seems to be working nicely at DL.
 

Go ask the United mechanics on the merry-go-round they are on with getting rid the iam then moving on to amfa and then finally to ibt and once again looking for another union.

 
Another great case study of why not to join an industrial airline union.

 

[700UW]

Go ask CVG Cargo, MEM and SLC about how its working out over at DL.
 
You do realize DL's ACS is 40% ready reserve and heading to 50%.
 
They use contractors at ATL Heavy Maintenance and RR is expanding to maintenance.

 

[1AA]

Go ask CVG Cargo, MEM and SLC about how its working out over at DL.
 
You do realize DL's ACS is 40% ready reserve and heading to 50%.
 
They use contractors at ATL Heavy Maintenance and RR is expanding to maintenance.

Heavily unionized AA contracts out and outsources as well. USAIR did more than AA, UAL is not immune to outsourcing as well. All have unions to agree on outsourcing. SWA, Alaska outsource as well. At AA I see it everyday with cabin service. Thank you TWU for that one. Passenger service jobs have been outsourced in many stations after the BK. These are stations that we have AA people working next to contract people doing the same job. How good is that with your CWA/IBT Association? We don't need unions if they only think about financial survival instead of preserving jobs. Non union may not be so bad. Here is one example.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-employees-home-piece-largest-120000934.html

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

Go ask CVG Cargo, MEM and SLC about how its working out over at DL.
 
You do realize DL's ACS is 40% ready reserve and heading to 50%.
 
They use contractors at ATL Heavy Maintenance and RR is expanding to maintenance.

 
I'd imagine its working out as well as it did for the folks at CLE (UA), PIT (US) , STL (AA) ... ... ...
 
And unless you're flying into a hub or focus city, majority of the functions done at the 'spokes' for all the carriers (except perhaps WN) are already contracted out. 

 

[700UW]

Those people at US, AA and UA had clear cut procedures, DL doesn't.

Go ask Kevin, those effected can't even go to ATL or go where they want.

 

[1AA]

Those people at US, AA and UA had clear cut procedures, DL doesn't.
Go ask Kevin, those effected can't even go to ATL or go where they want.

They can't be that pissed to seek union representation. That's usually how it works. The workers seek out not bully industrial unions come and tell them what they should do. Your trying to implement a union idealism to a company that functions well without it with the exception of the pilots it works at Delta. The problem is not Delta being non union the problem is here at AA being heavily unionized by a union that does not act like a union. Keep comparing what Delta can do and not do. Apples and oranges. We have our own apples and oranges to deal with, AKA the dysfunctional Association.